Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Path: utzoo!laura From: laura@utzoo.UUCP (Laura Creighton) Newsgroups: net.philosophy Subject: Re: Rosen on reason, etc. Message-ID: <5331@utzoo.UUCP> Date: Sun, 24-Mar-85 13:49:46 EST Article-I.D.: utzoo.5331 Posted: Sun Mar 24 13:49:46 1985 Date-Received: Sun, 24-Mar-85 13:49:46 EST References: <1074@decwrl.UUCP> <5266@utzoo.UUCP>, <720@pyuxd.UUCP> <5303@utzoo.UUCP>, <749@pyuxd.UUCP> Organization: U of Toronto Zoology Lines: 22 Rich, I think that you have a heirarchical notion of desires. For instance, I could be a basically angry person, and ``choose'' to not be angry, but I could not choose to ``not want to be angry'', or if I could, I could not ``choose to choose to not want to be angry'' at some point. The problem is, though, that I do not think that I store things in my brain in such a heirarchical fashion. I think that I can change any of the things out there, not by referring to some ``higher'' or ``more basic level'' that wants changes (either in the traditional sense of want, or the sense that you claim rocks change), but more or less by just doing it. You also seem to assume that I don't think that animals have free will. I don't know where you go that notion. I think that animals have free will as well, though I am not so sure about the brainless ones. I think that the ability to think in concepts gives man a tremedous advantage in exercising free will over animals who either do not have this ability or have it in a more limited way, but that is not what I think you have me saying. Laura Creighton utzoo!laura