Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.2 9/18/84; site dciem.UUCP Path: utzoo!dciem!mmt From: mmt@dciem.UUCP (Martin Taylor) Newsgroups: net.politics.theory Subject: Re: Capitalist production Message-ID: <1473@dciem.UUCP> Date: Wed, 20-Mar-85 18:56:54 EST Article-I.D.: dciem.1473 Posted: Wed Mar 20 18:56:54 1985 Date-Received: Wed, 20-Mar-85 20:15:47 EST References: <370@gargoyle.UChicago.UUCP> <5252@utzoo.UUCP> Reply-To: mmt@dciem.UUCP (Martin Taylor) Organization: D.C.I.E.M., Toronto, Canada Lines: 28 Summary: >The worker is not utterly secure (who is?) but considerably more >so than the capitalist. The workers of this country make an order >of magnitude more, in sum, than the capitalists. If they wanted, >they could just buy them out. Why don't they? They are, simply, >comfortable. Sure, they want more. Everybody always wants more. >Those who want it enough to pass up the beer and football games >are able to succeed here more than anywhere else in the world; >when they do, they are called -- capitalists. > >--JoSH If you subtract living costs up to, say, 150% of the poverty level, do the workers still make an order of magnitude more than the capitalists? If they do, do they have the coherent organization that would enable them to become effective capitalists (remember, that means centralization of control). I suspect that many of those who DO have a little left over after staying alive ARE capitalists, in that they may own a little stock, or have a pension plan that invests for them. It's a bit smug to say workers aren't capitalists because they are comfortable, and prefer another beer to owning factories. -- Martin Taylor {allegra,linus,ihnp4,floyd,ubc-vision}!utzoo!dciem!mmt {uw-beaver,qucis,watmath}!utcsri!dciem!mmt