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From: dan@scgvaxd.UUCP (Dan Boskovich)
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Subject: Re: Black's ravings (comment about Sodom)
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Date: Tue, 12-Mar-85 16:56:25 EST
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Posted: Tue Mar 12 16:56:25 1985
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In article <863@ames.UUCP> barry@ames.UUCP (Kenn Barry) writes:
>> Regarding R. Brower's comment to Black about "where do you see
>> homosexuality mentioned in the story about Sodom...", Genesis
>> 19:5 says,
>> 
>>    "They called to Lot, `Where are the men who came to you
>>    tonight?  Bring them out to us so that we can have sex with
>>    them.'" (NIV)
>> 
>> The passage goes on to say that the angels struck all of the men
>> blind, told Lot to gather up his people, and nuked the city.
>> Seems pretty clear, ja?
>
>	It's less clear in other translations. The RSV says "And they
>called to Lot, 'Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them
>out to us, that we may know them.'". And the King James also says "know
>them" rather than "have sex with them". A bit more ambiguous, I would
>say.
>	But the really interesting part of the story comes in the following
>verses. Remember, according to the Bible, Lot is a righteous man, and
>he and his family are the only ones saved when Sodom is destroyed. So,
>what does he do about his demanding neighbors?
>
>		"Lot went out of the door to the men, shut the door after
>	him, and said, 'I beg you, my brothers, do not act so wickedly.
>	Behold, I have two daughters who have not known man; let me bring
>	them out to you, and do to them as you please; only do nothing
>	to these men, for they have come under the shelter of my roof.'"
>	[RSV, Genesis 19:6-8]
>
>	My thanks to Robert A. Heinlein, who pointed out this interesting
>example of Lot's upright ways in STRANGER IN A STRANGE LAND.
>
>-  From the Crow's Nest  -                      Kenn Barry
>                                                NASA-Ames Research Center
>                                                Moffett Field, CA

 Thanks Kenn for helping to prove Don Black's statement. Yes, Lots
 solution was sinful. Lot should not of compromised Gods law to avoid
 trouble. Peter and John wouldn't compromise to avoid trouble and ended
 up in jail for it. Acts 4 0r 5, I believe? However, Lot's solution
 proves the point. He would of sacrificed his daughters virtue to satisfy
 the sexual desires of the people of Sodom. Also, in Gen 4 when Adam
 "knew" his wife, she got pregnant! Get the idea!

 Lot was a righteous man only because he was declared righteouss by God!
 Just as Mathew, a terrible publican; Saul of Tarsus, a persecutor of
 Christians; and Isaiah, a man of unclean lips.
 This illustration of Lot's sin, does not contradict the declaration of
 his righteousness, but illustrates the power of God to save sinners!
 Jesus said He came into the world to call not the righteous, but the
 sinners unto repentance. God has cleverly illustrated the flaws of all
 of the great men of the bible, to illustrate the truth of Romans 3!
 "There is none who does good, no not one!, and, All have sinned and fall
 short of the glory of God!"