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From: rlr@pyuxd.UUCP (Professor Wagstaff)
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Subject: Re: Black replies. (Rosen re-replies)
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Date: Thu, 14-Mar-85 00:07:01 EST
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>      Laura, would you mind naming a few of these campuses and the names of
> the groups that are preaching this?  I know about a group out in Idaho
> (the Aryan Nations) that are a little far out, but I'd be curious to find
> out what these other groups have to say. [BLACK]

I think that all Black can say about the Aryan Nations is that they're "a
little (!!!) far out" speaks for itself.

>      They tell me that Falwell's preaching is so pro-Israel and pro-Jewish
> that he trips over himself.  How can you say that such a fine Christian as
> Jerry (who runs many campus Christian groups) is anti-non-Christian?

As I already mentioned, Falwell and the "new Christian right" are incredibly
bulging with hypocrisy.  The "old Christian right" (e.g., Carl McIntyre)
was quite blatant in its hatred for Jews and just about anyone else who looked
at them funny, and the "new Christian right" is just engaging in a supposedly
sly public relations move when they "clean up their act" and show how much
they "love" Jews and Israel.  It makes me want to spit.

>      That ain't exactly _w_h_a_t_ _I_'_v_e_ _h_e_a_r_d.  For example, _I_ _h_e_a_r_d_ _t_h_a_t in the 
> State of Israel (the epitome of Judaism) it is not possible for a non-Jew
> to obtain citizenship.  _I_ _a_l_s_o_ _h_e_a_r_d it is against the law to give a Jew
> a copy of the New Testament.  _I_ _h_e_a_r_d_ _t_h_a_t it is also an offense to tell
> a Jew under 18 years of age anything about Christianity.  _I_ _h_e_a_r_d_ _t_h_a_t in
> the State of Israel if you don't belong to a certain nationality of Jews,
> you and a dog have a lot in common.  (_S_o_m_e_b_o_d_y_ _e_v_e_n_ _t_o_l_d_ _m_e that it is
> an offense punishable by death to allow a non-Jew to read the Talmud, but
> that sounds a little far-fetched to be true.)
> 
> If I heard wrong, then I'm ignorant, and I need educating.

I'll say.  Kinda almost makes you appreciate the fact that Arndt at least
quotes sources, as bogus as they might be.

> (And what could be a better definition of "Antichrist" than "those
> who are against, i.e. anti-, Christ?  And who are more anti-Christ than the
> Communists, except for maybe...well, never mind.)

No, please, tell us.  What are you afraid to tell us, sir?

>      I guess maybe an even greater problem in America is not with Communism,
> not with atheists, not with the Jews, or the schools, or the politicians, but
> rather it is a deeper, less obvious problem.  American Christians just do not
> realize who they are, what America is, and what God's promise to them and to
> America comprises.  When American Christians begin to "see the light," the
> Antichrist is in "deep sneakers."

I think the implication of this paragraph is clearly that the things and people
that Black lists at the top MAY have been thought to be a problem (at least
by him) and perhaps to him they still are problems, but there's some much
more important problem.  Between your bigoted rantings at the top and the
hallucinations and delusions of grandeur, I think we can all rest assured that
you either really are an asshole who is as full of shit as humanly possible,
or an obnoxious clown who thinks jokes about "Jews as a problem" are funny.
(Sound familiar?)  I'm sure that the vast majority of Christians out there
feel the same way, and if they'd get off their behinds and speak their minds
about you rather than just saying "He's just a crackpot asshole!  Forget him!",
we'd all be a lot better off.  I can only hope to THEIR god that they do.
Because if they don't and people with your perspective enter the American
Christian mainstream and influence the future of American freedom, we're
really gonna learn the meaning of antichrist----Don Black is looking at it
right in his own mirror.
-- 
"Which three books would *you* have taken?"
				Rich Rosen	ihnp4!pyuxd!rlr