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From: rlr@pyuxd.UUCP (Professor Wagstaff)
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Subject: Re: The writings of Don Black (Bravo Rich!)
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Date: Fri, 22-Mar-85 19:41:22 EST
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> (Rich .. Isn't it a bit hypocritical to get furiously angry when someone
>  reads things into your writings which aren't there, then to turn around
>  and globally condemn us for our agreement with something we may not even
>  know about? )  [HUTCH]

Not hypocritical.  Stupid, yes, but not hypocritical.  Stupid to assume
that netnews reliability gets everything everywhere (at all).

But not that stupid.  You are using the word "we" but you are only speaking for
yourself.  Certainly Wingate has seen the articles as he has seen fit to
comment on them.  All we got was "charley" saying "yes, i agree" to what
someone else had said.  On the other hand, we got lots of christians actually
DEFENDING Black and his neo-Nazi philosophy.  So YOU may not have seen it,
Hutch.  (Though how you managed to see NONE of his articles and NONE of anyone
else's responses defies comprehension.)  But others certainly have and
certainly have failed to say anything dissociating themselves from this
philosophy, certainly a growing "christian" movement.

I'll make a deal with you:

definition of religion:  anything you want -- include Buddhism, Marxism,
	embolism, cataclysm, tomatoes, whatever, I'll go along with it!

subjective evidence:  agreed---anything you subjectively experience really
	does happen and is verifiable and absolutely true!

wishful thinking:  nobody I've ever spoken to engages in that.

Now, partially because I'm absolutely swamped here and more importantly because
I think THIS issue is of paramount concern:

1.  To Christians:  What about this guy Black?  And his philosophy of America's
	destiny under god and Christian morality and law?  Does he represent
	your point of view?  A slightly different one?  An antithetical one?
	Does he have real truth to offer as agreed with by other Christians?
	Does he represent a growing influence in America?  Do you care?

2.  To non-Christians:  I ask nothing.  All the people who have responded to
	what Black has to offer have been non-Christians.  Perhaps because
	it is we who have the most to fear (our freedom, our lives?) from
	his "Christian state".  At least for the time being.  Well, I do ask
	this:  are you as frightened of this as I am?  I mean, I've stated in
	the past that the very REASON why I feel I have to question the nature
	of certain wishful thinking and subjective evidence and presumptive
	belief systems is NOT because I *care* how/what other people believe,
	but because I fear those who would persuade such people that their
	beliefs form a basis and reason for controlling the lives of other
	people.  And, as evidenced by already prevalent attitudes among
	Christians as shown towards certain groups AND as evidenced by the
	deadening silence offered in response to this Identity Christianity
	by the Christian community, my worst fears seem to be more than
	realized.

When I first read that article from Newsweek (as posted by Byron Howes, article
<421.mcnc.mcnc.UUCP>, plus Bill Peter alluded to another article in Time),
I was in the waiting room of my dentist's office.  I didn't need an anaesthetic
that night---the article alone was enough to leave me numb.  But not numb
enough not to act.   Some advice:  read that article.  (I probably no longer
have original copies of Black's actual articles, but I will gladly mail copies
of my responses to him which include significant (if not complete) extracted
text from Black's articles.)
-- 
"It's a lot like life..."			 Rich Rosen  ihnp4!pyuxd!rlr