Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.2 9/5/84; site aecom.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!cbosgd!ihnp4!mhuxn!mhuxr!ulysses!unc!mcnc!decvax!genrad!panda!talcott!harvard!seismo!cmcl2!philabs!aecom!teitz From: teitz@aecom.UUCP (Eliyahu Teitz) Newsgroups: net.religion.jewish Subject: Re: Moled -- Why is it always not on the same day as Rosh Chodesh Message-ID: <1255@aecom.UUCP> Date: Thu, 14-Mar-85 14:44:39 EST Article-I.D.: aecom.1255 Posted: Thu Mar 14 14:44:39 1985 Date-Received: Sun, 17-Mar-85 01:06:01 EST References: <146@pyuxww.UUCP> <9039@brl-tgr.ARPA> <520@sfmag.UUCP> <5458@ucbvax.ARPA> Organization: Albert Einstein Coll. of Med., NY Lines: 54 > MOled -- Why is it always not on the same day as Rosh Chodesh? > Is the calendar off? Or did this have something to do with when the > witnesses would come? The moled is the beginning of the new month, meaning, the time when the new moon can first be seen. a lunar month is 29 days, 12 hours, 44 minutes and one chalek ( 1/18 of a minute ) long. In the time of the Temple, and imediately following it, the new month was decreed to start by the court sitting in the Temple ( and after the destruction, by the same court, just not in its old quarters ). The judges of the court could not decide on their own when he new onth was to start. Rather, witnesses would come, testifying that they had see the new moon. The judges would cross-examine the witnesses thoroughly to see if they were lying and if the judges were satisfied with the testimony, they could declare the new month to begin. The court was empowered though, if it saw a need, to delay the sart of the new month. Since the whole process was given to the court to decide ( as is learned from the verse Exodus, 12, 2 ) This month is to you the head of the months... The Torah said it was given to the court to decide when to declare the new month, so they could delay it. They could not, however, declare the month to start early ( before witnesses came ). Also they could only delay it one day, since a month has either 29 or 30 days in it. In the times of the witnesses, the moled could have been the day of Rosh Chodesh ( new month ) if te witnesses came quickly. Otherwise it would be te next day, the day they came to testify in court. When our present calendar was set up it was arranged in such a way that certain occurrences would not happen. Yom Kippur was always arranged to not fall out on Friday or Sunday ( because there would be two successive days when food could not be prepared ). Therefore, the first day of Pesach cannot come out on either Monday or Wednesday. It cannot fall on Friday either, because then Hoshana Rabba, when we take the willow in shul, would fall on Shabbat, and we wouldn't be able to go around. Hoshana Rabba, is the day before Shmini Atzeret, and both are considered days when we are judges as to how much rain will fall in the coming year. Because of these considerations, the new month does not always coincide with the moled. Another point. The time announced as the moled is in Jerusalem local time, since the new month's declaration was always in Jerusalem. Therefore it is possible to come to shul and say ( at 10:00 am ) the moled was this afternoon at 2pm ( since 10 am in America is after 2 pm in Jerusalem ). This whole discussion appears in many places in the Talmud, including, as I recall, Tractate Rosh Hashana. Eliyahu Teitz.