Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.1 6/24/83; site npois.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!burl!ulysses!mhuxr!mhuxt!houxm!ahuta!npois!adam From: adam@npois.UUCP (Adam V. Reed) Newsgroups: net.religion.jewish Subject: Humanistic Judaism discussion continued Message-ID: <248@npois.UUCP> Date: Wed, 20-Mar-85 12:08:06 EST Article-I.D.: npois.248 Posted: Wed Mar 20 12:08:06 1985 Date-Received: Thu, 21-Mar-85 03:27:12 EST Organization: ATTIS, Neptune, NJ Lines: 36 I wrote: >> A Humanistic Jew is a Jew who defines his way of life as a Jew without >> reference to supernatural authority... Eliyahu Teitz responded with, inter alia: >...when G-D says do something, and I do not understand it...I observe >because I am a faithful servant, and my job is to do first, and question >later. This is precisely the kind of appeal to supernatural authority that I, as a Humanistic Jew, explicitly reject. I accept the fact that Teitz disagrees with me on that point; I would ask him to accept the fact that I don't agree with him. At the same time, I welcome the discussion; I think that we can all learn from discussions about Jewish thought, practice, and observance. Teitz also comments: >Another, more basic question. If you don't hold the will if G-D to be >important, why be Jewish in the first place. To me, being Jewish is a way of life, rather than a matter of adherence to any specific belief. I am attached to the Jewish way of life because it has been effective in preserving the Jewish people and civilization long after all other peoples and civilizations of comparable antiquity have disappeared; and because people raised in the Jewish civilization have a record of being existentially more efficacious, of being more likely to make creative contributions in art, science, and indeed any intellectual endeavor, than those raised in any other surviving civilization. I think that I can understand the reasons why the Jewish way of life is so effective in secular, humanistic terms; I do not find supernatural belief either necessary or helpful. Adam