Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.2 9/18/84; site sfmag.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!cbosgd!ihnp4!mhuxn!mhuxm!sftig!sftri!sfmag!samet From: samet@sfmag.UUCP (A.I.Samet) Newsgroups: net.religion.jewish Subject: Re: After life Message-ID: <528@sfmag.UUCP> Date: Fri, 22-Mar-85 12:57:52 EST Article-I.D.: sfmag.528 Posted: Fri Mar 22 12:57:52 1985 Date-Received: Sun, 24-Mar-85 03:57:40 EST References: <240@npois.UUCP> <3780022@csd2.UUCP> <7386@rochester.UUCP> Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories, Summit, NJ Lines: 55 From postnews Fri Mar 22 12:55:38 1985 > I think maimonides said that there will be no reincarnation after the messiah > comes but things will continue as they were. This is in contrast to Judah Ha > Levi who believes that all Jews will be reincarnated in Israel at this time. > Thus to my question: What is the normative view of after life in Judaism? > Does it differ between conservative and orthodox? Does it differ between > Sefardic and Ashkenazie? > Caution: All the "facts" about the Rambam and Judah Ha Levi should be viewed > with caution since they are rememberances from many years back > -David Sher > sher@rochester The afterlife, resurrection of the dead, and the Messianic era are actually three separate subjects. The reference to the Rambam is misunderstood. He lists belief in resurrection if the dead (techiyas hamaisim) as one of his 13 principles of Jewish belief. The mishna in perek chelek (Sanhedrin) lists one who denies resurrection of the dead as a principle from the Torah among those who have no portion in the world to come. The general acceptance of this principle is reflected in the fact that it is stated in the first prayer in of the Amidah (shmoneh esreh): "...Boruch atah Hashem, mechayeh hamaisim." (Blessed are you G*d who resurrects the dead.) The Rambam was merely differentiating between the era of the Messiah and techiyas hamaisim. He is reflecting the Talmudic dictum "Ain bein achshav l'yemos hamashiach ela shibud malchiuys bilvad. (The only difference between now and the era of the Messiah is the subjugation of the Jewish people to foreign dominion.)" This means that the messianic era is not a supernatural one. Olam haba (afterlife) generally refers to a spiritual (heaven/hell) existence after death where the soul receives reward and punishment. This is also a generally held belief. The Rambam (Hilchos Akum, VIII) devotes an entire chapter to explaining this noncorporeal existence. Again, he follows the normative talmudic statements. There is generally no debate on these basic doctrines among the Rishonim (Rambam's contemporaries) except concerning the interpretations of certain Biblical phrases alluding to them. However, there are no halachic consequences resulting from these differing interpretations. Also, Sephardim and Ashkenazim do not differ concerning these fundamental doctrines. The doctrine of olam haba is central in that it helps to explain how injustices can be allowed by Hashem, i.e., why "the righteous suffer in this world and the wicked prosper." The score is more than settled in the next world. The subject of olam haba is addressed extensively by the Talmud, the rishonim, medieval Jewish philosophers, sifrei mussar (ethics) etc. It is definitely a normative belief subscribed to by all orthodox elements. Yitzchok Samet