Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.2 9/5/84; site spp2.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!cbosgd!ihnp4!mhuxn!mhuxr!ulysses!allegra!bellcore!decvax!ittvax!dcdwest!sdcsvax!sdcrdcf!trwrb!trwspp!spp2!jhull From: jhull@spp2.UUCP (Jeff Hull) Newsgroups: net.misc,net.physics Subject: Re: perpetual motion(the suppression of liquid hydrogen, a clean fuel) Message-ID: <515@spp2.UUCP> Date: Mon, 1-Apr-85 16:14:25 EST Article-I.D.: spp2.515 Posted: Mon Apr 1 16:14:25 1985 Date-Received: Thu, 4-Apr-85 05:49:15 EST References: <608@vortex.UUCP> <491@spp2.UUCP> <706@mhuxt.UUCP> <2085@sun.uucp> <1426@hao.UUCP> Reply-To: jhull@spp2.UUCP (Jeff Hull) Organization: TRW, Redondo Beach CA Lines: 40 Xref: watmath net.misc:7759 net.physics:2391 Summary: In article <1426@hao.UUCP> ward@hao.UUCP (Mike Ward) writes: >> If you take a large solar collector array, and plug the electrodes into the >> ocean, you get hydrogen and oxymorons. Bottle the hydrogen, put it into >> the tanks of the hydrogen burning cars (which burn it catalytically in >> a fuel cell) and you get electricity to run your electric motor). There, >> wasn't that easier than mounting a collector array on your car or running >> at the end of a long extension cord? > >Why not bottle the oxygen, too. Then, if you put your solar >collectors on the roof of the car and ran the exhaust back into >the electrowhatsis, you'd have the perfect, closed system. >-- > >Michael Ward, NCAR/SCD This is precisely the kind of thinking all too few of us are willing to do (It was the lack of this kind of thinking that my original article, where hydrogen fueled cars were mentioned, was deploring). I am sure there are plenty of people out there who will say, "But that won't work because..." To them, I say, please tell us how we can make it work (& why it needs to be changed). I would imagine the system proposed above would not be a closed system because the solar collectors that will fit on a car will not generate enough power to be the car's sole power source. But they can reduce the amount of externally provided power needed & the difference can be made up by plugging into electrical outlets when the car is parked. Refills will probably be needed due to minor leaks & possibly less than perfect reclamation of used fuel. Come on, all you creative people out in netland. Let's refine this to the level someone can build a working model! -- Blessed Be, Jeff Hull {decvax,hplabs,ihnp4,scdrdcf,ucbvax} 13817 Yukon Ave. trwrb!trwspp!spp2!jhull Hawthorne, CA 90250