Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site hou5g.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!cbosgd!ihnp4!houxm!vax135!ariel!hou5f!hou5g!jdh From: jdh@hou5g.UUCP (Julia Harper) Newsgroups: net.motss Subject: Re: Gay/Straight Differences Message-ID: <547@hou5g.UUCP> Date: Fri, 5-Apr-85 17:48:21 EST Article-I.D.: hou5g.547 Posted: Fri Apr 5 17:48:21 1985 Date-Received: Sat, 6-Apr-85 03:38:01 EST References: <1480@decwrl.UUCP> Organization: AT&T Information Systems Laboratories, Holmdel, NJ Lines: 64 () When you are involved with someone, or think about them as someone touchable, your "private space" requirements shrink. I think a lot of gays "give themselves away" by moving within what's normally thought of as private space too "freely", thereby attracting attention. I think all people who feel this way about each other do this, but it is more noticeable in gays, because it is less common. BUT, here is a more important reason people can "tell I'm gay.." The accusation of homosexuality is used as a weapon to try to force people to conform. Women who seem "too violent" or strong, and men who seem "too gentle" are often abused with this accusation. If you really *are* gay and someone says it to you, you wonder how they knew. I suspect they usually don't know. I have been called a dyke on a few ocassions by men who didn't like the way I was talking or reacting to them. Depending on what that word means to you, they were wrong. If being a dyke means being loud and strident, well then I was what they said. I was involved with a man when the last two incidents happened, which made it really easy for me to simply say "Yes, I am a dyke. So?" There was no way they could scare me with that accusation, I knew. (This luxury is not as affordable for those who really are involved with someone of the same sex, unless they are out.) Interestingly, I've noticed on and off the net that people like to try to use "feminist" or "knee-jerk feminist" or "screaming feminist" in exactly the same types of situations as when people have called me a dyke. Some feminists are afraid to be called feminists, or define themselves that way, because of the connotation of abnormality -- of being dykish (a Man-Hater) if you're a woman, or if you're a man, of being queer or into bondage. The label "queer" or "dyke" or ..whatever.. refers to a lot of things that have nothing to do with sexuality. One time, I was waiting to be picked up by someone at a bus stop and these two young men (boys?) drove past a couple of times, making comments. I told them off. Then they told me I must be a lesbian. After a moment of shock (I felt like looking at myself in the mirror to see what about me made them say that!) I told them *they* must be gay. Otherwise why would they be riding in that car together, besides I saw the way they looked at each other. And I'd seen the one's arm on the back of the other's seat--or was it his back... Well, *they* were shocked. They left and didn't come back. I was very proud of this brilliant tactical maneuver. Anyway, the point is, they DIDN'T know I was gay. And accusing them of this dreadful thing, homosexuality, scared them. So I really think most people are more concerned about it as a way not to be. They aren't really observant enough to tell who is and who isn't. A lot more people get accused of being a homosexual than just gays. (Just an accusation, though, not an aknowledgement of it being a real way of life.) Anyway, it's easier to hide being gay than hide being a woman. Think how it must feel to get those kinds of remarks when you walk down the street just because you're a woman. You're damned if you do try to hide being a woman (you ugly dyke) and damned if you don't (hey sexy bitch, wanna fuck?). -- Julia Harper [ihnp4,ariel]!hou5g!jdh