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From: allen@osu-eddie.UUCP (John Allen)
Newsgroups: net.nlang
Subject: Re: Re: Rationalizing English (Spelling)
Message-ID: <214@osu-eddie.UUCP>
Date: Mon, 1-Apr-85 19:18:21 EST
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Posted: Mon Apr  1 19:18:21 1985
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Organization: Ohio State Univ., CIS Dept., Cols, Oh.
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> 
>           lab dnt alv ret vel phr
> vd.stop    b   d           g
> vl.stop    p   t           k
> vd.affr        c       c~
> vl.affr                j~
> vd.spir    v   d~  z   z~
> vl.spir    f   t~  s   s~      h
> vd.nas     m   n           n~
> vd.smiv    w   y   l   r

    The vast majority of English dialects have alveolar 'd', 't', and 'n', not
dental.  In any case 'y' is never a dental.  It is a palatal.  I am
surprised to find that there is an English dialect that does have dental
stops.
    Alveo-palatal or palato-alveolar are better terms for the consonants
listed than retroflex (except for the 'r' of course.)

> Note some funny things, like 'c' meaning 'ts', with 'c~' for 'tsh'.
> 	prince		princ
    Most dialects of English do not have this as a phoneme.  The only places
where the sequence 'ts' occurs are
                a) with a syllable boundary between them
		b) with a morpheme boundary between them
		c) after a nasal (because the cluster 'ns' is moderately 
                        difficult to say)
In none of these cases is the 'c' a phoneme.  However, the dialects that do
have these as phonemes (possibly Liverpool English or Scots English) use it
where other dialects use 't'.  (Often 'c' alternates with 't' or 'c~'.  I am
not sure which one is considered basic.)
        tip             cip   (As in 'tipping a waitress')

                                        John Allen
					allen@osu-cisvax