Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.2 9/18/84; site watdcsu.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!watdcsu!dmcanzi From: dmcanzi@watdcsu.UUCP (David Canzi) Newsgroups: net.politics Subject: Re: Re: Re: Question for Canadians Message-ID: <1186@watdcsu.UUCP> Date: Thu, 28-Mar-85 22:05:37 EST Article-I.D.: watdcsu.1186 Posted: Thu Mar 28 22:05:37 1985 Date-Received: Fri, 29-Mar-85 01:38:26 EST References: <709@ccice5.UUCP> <891@utcsri.UUCP> <374@talcott.UUCP> <538@whuxl.UUCP> <925@utcsri.UUCP> <1482@dciem.UUCP> Reply-To: dmcanzi@watdcsu.UUCP (David Canzi) Distribution: net Organization: U of Waterloo, Ontario Lines: 33 Summary: In article <1482@dciem.UUCP> mmt@dciem.UUCP (Martin Taylor) writes: >I must admit to mixed feelings about the Zundel case. It's a classic >ethical dilemma. On the one hand, any violation of freedom of speech >is potentially dangerous because it provides a precedent for other >violations; on the other, propagation of untruth with malicious intent >is immediately dangerous (falsely shouting "Fire" in a crowded theatre >is the classic example of speech that should not be free). > >Zundel seems to be closer to the "Fire" example than to the censorship >of pornography or of political opinion. It would be dangerous for Zundel's beliefs to become widespread. But if the fact that some belief is dangerous comes to be accepted as sufficient reason for censorship, there is greater danger in letting the government have the power to define which beliefs are "dangerous." It must at least be made very difficult for the government to add new beliefs to the list. > Here was a man who, for the >purpose of damaging a group of people he didn't like, argued strongly >and publicly that the Nazis never murdered people deliberately in their >death camps. It is as close to a fact as we will ever get in history >that they did, and to argue that they didn't, in order to show that >Jews are terrible liars for the benefit of Zionism, is clearly malicious. I can't tell whether Zundel is a liar or a fool, and I have no idea how a court of law is supposed to determine this. I would think that only people who *want* to believe what Zundel is saying (ie. those who already hate Jews) would be likely to believe him. -- David Canzi "Women compromise more than a third of Britain's work force." -- The Vancouver Sun