Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.2 9/18/84; site dciem.UUCP Path: utzoo!dciem!mmt From: mmt@dciem.UUCP (Martin Taylor) Newsgroups: net.politics Subject: Re: Re: America: soft, rich, pacifist (how they perceive us) Message-ID: <1514@dciem.UUCP> Date: Thu, 4-Apr-85 17:38:18 EST Article-I.D.: dciem.1514 Posted: Thu Apr 4 17:38:18 1985 Date-Received: Thu, 4-Apr-85 19:17:37 EST References: <314@ssc-bee.UUCP> <567@whuxl.UUCP> <921@ihuxk.UUCP> Reply-To: mmt@dciem.UUCP (Martin Taylor) Organization: D.C.I.E.M., Toronto, Canada Lines: 33 Summary: > I think Tim is again referring to the time during the russian revolution >when we sent troops *at the request of the russian government* in order to >help fight the bolsheviks. It was a case of 'too little, too late'. He >doesn't make this clear, presumably to help foster the >illusion that we were "imperialist agressors", sending our >troops to invade russia. >-- >Jeff Sonntag Not at the request of the russian government. By 1919, the Bolsheviks had been the government for nearly 2 years. There were lots of White Russian warlords roaming the countryside, and it was a very confused period generally. The basic thinking in the West was that Communists were bomb-throwing anarchists, and if they got a foothold somewhere no capitalist government would be safe, so they had better be overthrown. But the intervention was too little, and probably too late. We were, in fact "imperialist aggressors" sending our troops to invade Russia and overthrow the Government (unfortunately, Russia is bigger than Grenada or the Dominican Republic). If the series "Reilly, Ace of Spies" ever comes back on PBS, watch it. It is fundamentally true, and the last few episodes cover this part of Russian history. Reilly appears in the histories of several Secret Services, including the Japanese. According to the TV series, he came within a whisker (nearly said "an ace") of becoming Prime Minister of a post-Bolshevik Russia. I have never seen independent confirmation of this astounding claim. -- Martin Taylor {allegra,linus,ihnp4,floyd,ubc-vision}!utzoo!dciem!mmt {uw-beaver,qucis,watmath}!utcsri!dciem!mmt