Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.2 9/5/84; site aecom.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!cbosgd!ihnp4!houxm!whuxl!whuxlm!harpo!decvax!mcnc!philabs!aecom!teitz From: teitz@aecom.UUCP (Eliyahu Teitz) Newsgroups: net.religion Subject: Re: If the shoe fits.... Message-ID: <1319@aecom.UUCP> Date: Tue, 26-Mar-85 16:19:58 EST Article-I.D.: aecom.1319 Posted: Tue Mar 26 16:19:58 1985 Date-Received: Fri, 29-Mar-85 00:49:05 EST References: <1202@decwrl.UUCP> Organization: Albert Einstein Coll. of Med., NY Lines: 198 > Why is it allright to be anti-Christian, anti-God, anti-Moslem, but > anti-Jewish or anti-Israeli is anathema? Is this not hypocritical? > If anybody out there disagrees with me, fine. I'm not going to lose any > sleep over it. In fact, I invite commentary--sane, reasonably-presented > commentary. (By the way, my MAIL is running 2 to 1 in favor.) > I have a question. Why are you anti-Jew and anti-Israel? I wouldn't be proud of the fact that your mail runs 2 to 1in favor either. This is a sad commentary on our society. Firstly, baseless hate. Then, not to even have the courage to discuss it to see how foolish it is, but rather to live with this hatred. > > 1. That book store in Torrence, CA, is the Institute for Historical Review, > a non-profit organization that studies the causes of war. It is most noted > for its attempts to investigate by forensic means the Holocaust of recent > history. It posted a $50,000 reward for anyone who could prove beyond a > reasonable doubt that the Holocaust actually took place in Europe under > Hitler. That reward has not yet been collected. The library was sacked > and burned on 4 July 1984 by a professional arsonist. Leaders of the > Jewish Defense League held a news conference in the rubble the day after, > and danced on the ashes of the files. These same people subsequently > provided the authorities with the name of the arsonist. The library has > since reopeed in a more secure facility. > Are the gas chambers in Auschwitz our imagination? Or did the Germans use Zyklon-B to "delouse" the Jews. Nice idea. If you kill a person he won't have to worry about lice any more. Besides, how can you trick an entire nation into believing a hoax. Surely there are Jews beyond reproach who would not perpetrate such a nasty falsehood. One last problem. Did the ews tatoo themselves for fun? Also, why did the US and Russia, and other European nations go along with the lie? Why do they still keep it going today? Why has Mengele been afraid to shw his face in public? Why did he run away? Surely he could prove beyond a doubt that his experiments were harmless. Another problem. Were the soldiers who liberated the concentration camp paid off to lie before they went in or only after they saw the truth? > (The Jewish Defense League is by its own admission a branch of the Israeli > army, founded by an American rabbi who is now a member of the Israeli > knesset. What in blue blazes is the Israeli army doing conducting armed > operations against American civilians on American territory?) > Not a strong arguement. If I claimed to be a faction of the US army and I bombed the White House, would you ask what the army is doing killing the president. Obviously you'd say the peson was crazy. Why do you believe every bad thing you hear about Jews? Do you think that we are capable of keeping an eye out on every Jew in the world ( well if we are doing it with the holocaust, maybe we can do it with this too ). What you have to realize, Mr. Black, before you post anything about Jews and Judaism, is that we are humans, just like you ( I know this probably makes you uneasy but it is a fact of life ). We have our beliefs and you have yours. We do not go around plotting ways to destroy the non-Jewish world. We have better things to do ( like try and insure our survival, from people like you ). I usually do not attack people when they post. I find it repulsive. Hwever, you have shown a blatant disregard for the truth. You do not even attempt to discern the truth. You make wild statements without verifying their validity. Stop, and think before you post next time. Are you saying something that is unfounded. Do you have verification of your claims. Becasue one disgruntled person says something or writes something is not a verification. Look at other sources. Ask others. But do not go trumpeting your ideas as absolutes without checking into them first. You are entitled to your opinion and I can't take it away from you. But you are doing yourself a tremendous injustice by believing everything you hear and read. > >> I guess maybe an even greater problem in America is not with Communism, > >> not with atheists, not with the Jews, or the schools, or the politicians, > > >It's nice to know that the Jews are not (yet) the greatest problem in > >Don Black's America. > > There you go again, putting words in my mouth. Did I say the Jews were a > problem? > Yes you did. When you say something is a greater problem than the Jews it usually means that the Jews are a lesser problem, but a problem nonetheless. > > >P.S. Is it only non-Christians (as Rosen pointed out) that are mortified by > > this man's ravings? bill peter > > Why am I raving, Bill? Besides,, there are a lot of "non-Christians" > in this world that have a lot worse things to say. For example ask the > Lebanese. (Today's Boston "Globe" [20 March 1985] has a real eye-opener > in it. The paper reports in graphic detail about the Israeli march through > a Lebanese village, the house ransackings, the arrests, the bulldozed > houses, etc. Is this what's in store for the US? > Do you think the Israelis are in the demolision business. As if they have nothing better to do. The war in Lebanon was and is a tremendous expense for Israel. They would like nothing better than to leave and let the Lebanese solve their own problems ( 10 years of civil war is their method ). The only problem is that Israel entered with one purpose in mind, and it wasn't to annex Lebanon. They wanted to insure the security of their northern border. Look over the past few years. Before the Israelis entered Lebanon there were constant bombings of Israel's nothern settlements. Once the army entered, and sent the PLO scurrying, te attacks stopped. Kind of proves that the Israelis knew what they were talking about, doesn't it. Or were the Israelis practicing the age old tradition of deception, including bombing their own people? Look at the facts before you sit at the keyboard Mr Black. Maybe then you wouldn't have to take your foot out of your mouth so often. > > >Oh great Ubizmo! Is this what people like Marchionni were doing while > >the European Jews were being put in death camps? (Don't answer this, > >I know the answer already.) > > What death camps?? > Try taking a tour of Poland. Go to Auschwitz. You'll see the death camps. You can't miss them. Unless you think they are schoolhouses. > > > I agree about state religions, Laura. This is why our founding fathers > decreed in the Costitution prohibited the recognizing of any one religion. > They did acknowlege that the free exercise thereof should not be prohibited, > thus recognizing the legitimacy of ALL religions. > So then why do you hate Judaism so much? > > Yeah, I'll still take a Christian state over a Judaic state any day > of the week. A matter of personal preference, I guess. Ideally, we'd > have a state governed precisely by the Constitution, as I advocate. But > many people are afraid of the Constitution, since they'd have to stop > being corrupt. > A christian state is against the constitution, since there is a concept of separation of church and state. So how could you have a state governed precisely by the Constitution, if you ignore the document in setting up your state. Another point. If you advocate as well as you research, I pity those who would live in your country. > > This is the same bias that is mentioned by Jack Bernstein in his book > concerning his exploits in Israel. It seems he is of one Jewish sect (or > race, or whatever the proper word is), I believe the term he uses is > Ashkenasic, and if my memory is correct, his wife is Sephardic (I feel > uneasy quoting things without the original in front of me.) But anyway, > they wouldn't even let the poor chap get decent housing. > Please quote exactly. Also, why do you trust any one person over another. Is it becasue he is telling you what you want to hear. There are many on this net who will refute his statements one by one and prove them false. Becasue one person had bad experiences in a country should not tarnish your view of the country. This kind of stereotyping is extremely dangerous. After all, I could say, after reading your article, that all christians are out to kill me and I'd better do it to them first. > So now let me ask another legitimate question of the net. How does > the State of Israel determine who is a Jew and who is not, under the Law > of Return? > > The law of return is a secular law of the State of Israel. It simply says that any person who is Jewish ( born to a Jewish mother or converted to the religion ) may obtain instant citizenship in the State of Israel. None Jews must go through a naturalization period, just like those wishing to obtain citizenship in America must. I hesitated in responding because I knew I would react with anger. I have not, to my surprise. Rather I am exasperated at your lack of concern for facts which areeasily verifiable. Just go to any library and read a few books. Before you post to the net, not after. Maybe in the future you will respond and write articles in a more mature fashion. Eliyahu Teitz.