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From: rlr@pyuxd.UUCP (Dr. Emmanuel Wu)
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Subject: Re: Inferring consent from silence
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Date: Fri, 29-Mar-85 20:45:46 EST
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>>In the case of advocation of repression against certain groups of people,
>>derogatory lies repeatedly repeated (a technique made famous by ...), and
>>eradication of personal freedom, I will continue to infer consent from
>>silence.  And rightfully so.  [ROSEN]

> Allow me to hoist you on your own petard, Rich.... First I have to get out my
> list.  [Rustling noises]  O.K., Rich, I haven't heard you condemn any of the
> following actions in a long time:
> 
>       (1) Soviet persecution of jews
>       (2) Soviet persecution of christians
>       (3) Soviet persecution of almost everyone else  :-)
>       (4) The Ukrainian famine
>       (5) Turkish repression of armenians
>       (6) the Pol Pot regime
>       (7) the government of South Africa
>       (8) Iranian persecution of Ba'hais
>       (9) The Invasion and occupation of Cyprus
>      (10) Starvation in Africa
>      (11) The Rape of the Sabine Women
>        .
>        .
> 
> Do I really have to go on?  Rich, I don't seriously believe that you condone 
> all these things.  Why is it necessary that you assume that those of us who
> don't see the use of talking with raised voice on every subject are therefore
> in concurance with the worst viewpoint expressed?  Looks like hypocrisy to
> me, Rich; you apply an impossible standard to christians, but you won't
> submit to its application to you.

1) I'm glad you don't seriously believe that I condone any of these things.
   I still believe, from your words and (in)actions, that you do condone
   (or could care less about) the anti-human side of the Christian spectrum
   that is growing and taking hold more and more in this country.
2) None of these things listed above is being perpetrated by groups I am
   in league with or lumped in with by association.  If they were, I'd be
   even more vocal about those things that I as an 'xxxx' were to be held
   responsible for.  Because I'd have a more personal stake, and possibly
   additional leverage, in generating change.  You, sir, see no such
   responsibility or reason to speak out.  Thus, you apparently don't mind
   Christianity being associated with the movement.  The man speaks as part
   of the American Christian community, reaching into that community for
   support for his ideas, and getting it!  You couldn't care less.  Hell,
   he's not out for your blood, even if your church stands on the sidelines
   booing Falwell.
3) That you are more interested in "hoisting me from my own petard" than
   saying something constructive speaks for itself.  Your interest is
   in belittling my position rather than denouncing anti-human activity.
   While I am trying to find out why the Christian community, which speaks
   of love for all people, falls silent in the face of bigotry, you turn to
   "I may be bad, but what about you" excuse making of the shoddiest kind.
   Your priorities are fucked, Charley.  Tell another joke about Jew-baiting
   on the way out the door.  Black will laugh.  As will his friends.
-- 
"Does the body rule the mind or does the mind rule the body?  I dunno."
				Rich Rosen 	ihnp4!pyuxd!rlr