Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.2 9/18/84; site dciem.UUCP Path: utzoo!dciem!mmt From: mmt@dciem.UUCP (Martin Taylor) Newsgroups: net.religion,net.politics Subject: Re: Don Black, Nazis, and the amazing disappearing Holocaust Message-ID: <1498@dciem.UUCP> Date: Sun, 31-Mar-85 13:43:49 EST Article-I.D.: dciem.1498 Posted: Sun Mar 31 13:43:49 1985 Date-Received: Sun, 31-Mar-85 14:46:19 EST References: <2580@ihuxf.UUCP> Reply-To: mmt@dciem.UUCP (Martin Taylor) Distribution: net Organization: D.C.I.E.M., Toronto, Canada Lines: 56 Summary: >> The Jews were just victims. At least the Nazis had ideals >> for which they willing to fight and die for and yes even commit "atrocities" >> for. Which of the three do you think takes more courage? >> >> Russell Spence > >It takes a *lot* of courage to die for your faith and heritage. >Please explain the "courage" required to slaughter unarmed civilians. > > ROM DOS A (long) quote from Himmler's Posen address to the SS group leaders in 1943: " I shall speak to you here with all frankness about a very serious subject. We shall now discuss it openly among ourselves; nevertheless we shall never speak about it in public. I mean the evacuation of the Jews, the extermination of the Jewish People. It is one of those things which is easy to say: "The Jewish people are to be exterminated," says every party member. "That's clear, it's part of our program, elimination of the Jews, extermination, right, we'll do it." And then they all come along, eighty million upstanding Germans, and each one has his decent Jew. Of course the others are all swine, but this one is a first-class Jew. Of all those who talk like this, not one has watched [the actual extermination], not one has had the stomach for it. Most of you know what it means to see a hundred corpses lying together, five hundred, or a thousand. To have gone through this and yet -- apart from a few exceptions, examples of human weakness -- to have remained decent, this has made us hard. This is a glorious page in our history that has never been written and never shall be written. The wealth which they had, we have taken from them. I have issued a strict command . . . that this wealth is as a matter of course to be delivered in its entirety to the Reich. We have taken none of it for ourselves. Individuals who have violated this principle will be punished according to an order which I issued at the beginning and which warns: Anyone who takes so much as a mark shall die. A certain number of SS men -- not very many -- disobeyed this order and they will die, without mercy. We had the moral right, we had the duty to our own people, to kill this people that wanted to kill us. But we have no right to enrich ourselves by so much as a fur, a watch, a mark, or a cigarette, anything else. In the last analysis, because we exterminated a bacillus we don't want to be infected by it and die. I shall never stand by and wathc even the slightest spot of rot develop or establish itself here. Wherever it appears, we shall burn it out together. By and large, we can say we have performed this most difficult task out of love for our people. And we have suffered no harm from it in our inner self, in our soul, in our character." (Quoted by Alice Miller in "For your Own Good" Farrar, Strauss, Giroux 1983; in Canada McGraw-Hill) -- Martin Taylor {allegra,linus,ihnp4,floyd,ubc-vision}!utzoo!dciem!mmt {uw-beaver,qucis,watmath}!utcsri!dciem!mmt