Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.2 9/18/84; site trwatf.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!bonnie!akgua!whuxlm!harpo!decvax!genrad!panda!talcott!harvard!seismo!trwatf!root From: root@trwatf.UUCP (Lord Frith) Newsgroups: net.religion Subject: Re: Origin of Man Message-ID: <819@trwatf.UUCP> Date: Tue, 2-Apr-85 20:32:38 EST Article-I.D.: trwatf.819 Posted: Tue Apr 2 20:32:38 1985 Date-Received: Thu, 4-Apr-85 07:03:09 EST References: <23193@lanl.ARPA> <281@scgvaxd.UUCP> <282@scgvaxd.UUCP> <778@trwatf.UUCP> <287@scgvaxd.UUCP> Organization: TRW Advanced Technology Facility, Merrifield VA. Lines: 79 > >Here we are asked to believe that somehow ethical and moral conduct > >producess genetic changes; changes that are not only inherited, but > >control our behavior on a daily basis. Claims like this had better be > >substantiated with physical evidence if anyone is going to take them > >seriously. > > You are not asked to believe anything! This is net.religion where we > discuss theological positions. If you want physical evidence for every > religous belief, you are reading the wrong newsgroup. Touche'. However, we are in a domain where science and religion overlap. If you're going to hypothesis some physical explanation for sin then it makes sense for you to provide physical proof. Not just a label like, "well sin is transmitted genetically." > God said, in Genesis, "In the day that you eat of this fruit, you shall > die." This is theology, not science! Correct. So why start mucking about with genetics when your domain is belief? If you want a physical explanation for sin being transmitted from the father to the son... then you WILL need more than just a hypothesis because a LOT of devout scientist types will offer up tons of evidence to contradict you. Of course you can believe in what you want to believe, but that doesn't make it right. > >It is interesting to note here that Jesus is a descendent of David, who > >in turn was descended from Lot through this same incestuous > >relationship with his daughters. If sin WERE transmitted genetically, > >then God might have found someone more "sin free" amoung the levites. > > Genetics are inherited when the egg becomes fertile through the > penetration of the sperm. Since Jesus was born of a virgin, there > was no such process. Don't ask me how God did it! I don't know! The point is that Jesus has the sinfull genetic roots of all of us, if you believe that sin is inherited. But Jesus' behavior was far from the sinfull. Ergo, sinfull genes did not determine his destiny and probably have nothing to do with OUR behavior as well. > Remember, this is net.religion! If God can create the world and > everything in it, I'm sure He can protect Jesus from inheriting > the harmful effects of sin. Why hypothesis protection from something you haven't yet shown to exist? > After all, this was the purpose of the virgin birth. In order for > Christ to be sinless, He first had to be born without sin. Since the > bible teaches that we all inherit sin from Adam, the virgin birth was > imperative! If you want scripture references, I will furnish them upon > request. I don't have my bible handy! Wrong! If Jesus had been born of a non-virgin he would have the SAME genes as those of a virgin. I submit that being born of a virgin has noothing to do with wanting to shield Jesus from sinfull genes. It has everything to do with seperating him from the nature of man, yet retaining his identity as both a man and God. He becomes the son of both man and of God and thus both the model and the reconciliation between the two. Note that this is a status all the sons of man shall inherit... But not through our genes. > >I don't think, however, that he is as interested in the purity of a > >man's genes as he is in the purity of his heart, which is most likely > >not guided by genetics or ridiculous theories determined to justify a > >particular belief system. > > You are right! God is interested in the heart! Such is the theme of > New Testament. Because Christ who knew NO sin, became sin for us all. He that sees the truth... hears my voice. -- UUCP: ...{decvax,ihnp4,allegra}!seismo!trwatf!root - Lord Frith ARPA: trwatf!root@SEISMO "And he made the stars, too, and the world is one of the stars"