Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.2 9/5/84; site osu-eddie.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!cbosgd!apr!osu-eddie!glp From: glp@osu-eddie.UUCP (Georgia Pritchett) Newsgroups: net.religion Subject: Re: Re: If the shoe fits... Message-ID: <224@osu-eddie.UUCP> Date: Wed, 3-Apr-85 19:16:21 EST Article-I.D.: osu-eddi.224 Posted: Wed Apr 3 19:16:21 1985 Date-Received: Fri, 5-Apr-85 02:06:23 EST References: <1214@decwrl.UUCP> <900@ames.UUCP> Organization: Ohio State Univ., CIS Dept., Cols, Oh. Lines: 74 > - From the Crow's Nest - Kenn Barry > NASA-Ames Research Center > Moffett Field, CA > > I number of people have asked why Christians on the net have > been unwilling to criticize Don Black for the nonsense he's been posting. > I think the reason is obvious: the Christians are obeying the Eleventh > Commandment - "Thou shalt not speak ill of thy fellow Christians when > non-believers are present". Christians are not the only group which follow > such a solidarity rule, and the rest of us should not be too quick to > assume that silence implies tacit agreement. But I'd like to point out > a couple of things to those Christians who are following this unwritten > law. Consider the following quote from one of Black's articles: > . . . > Net.religion has echoed again and again with the pained cries > of Christians who insist that the Crusades, the Inquisition, etc., are > not examples of *real* Christianity. Well, my friends, we now have Mr. > Black as a contemporary example of the kind of thinking (and I use the > term loosely) which led to these atrocities. If you want to show the > rest of us that these attitudes play no part in your religion, Mr. Black > has given you an excellent opportunity. If not, that's your privelege, > but, please, don't act so surprised when you're then lumped in with the > "Kill for Christ" Christians. Consider, also, that it's *your* religion > being dragged through the gutter by Black's diatribes; why should the > rest of us make a distinction, if you are unwilling to do so? Okay you want Christians to speak up. You are full of sh*t. There is no Eleventh Commandment and I know of very few Christians who behave in the manner you present. And if the ones you know do, why are you lumping the rest of us with them anyway. Pardon me if I say that your ideas suck out the ass and then some. Yes "Christians" have done some pretty awful things. So have most other religions and for that matter most other governments (since your examples are things that came from organized "Christian" governments). I am not giving that as an excuse. I am simply pointing out that if you choose to lump me in there then you are being very unfair. When I choose to become a Christian (and it is an individual choice), I did not do so because I knew about all these really "neet" people who had been Christians and done lots of fun and exciting things like burn heretics. I will not bore you with the why (since you have already heard it and that isn't the issue). Why is it that Non-Christians insist on lumping Christians together in a group? But there I am lumping also. I don't know the reasons that others had for not answering but I personally only read this group when I want to be amused. So it is usually only at the begining of the quarter. I used to read it alot but I got tired of messages like yours. Probably most of the people who still read it don't care to post for fear that you will find something wrong with what they say (as I am sure you will with my stuff. But since I probably won't read any followups, I don't really care). No one would say anything about the number of Non-Christians who didn't post followups if some weird screwed-up Atheist insisted that all Christians be shot at dawn if not before. Most people would just accept the fact that guys like that don't represent Non-Christians as a whole and leave it at that. They wouldn't say that any Non-Christian who didn't post a followup obviously agreed. Come off it. You are just using this as another chance to say "Look all Christians are like this. Just where do they get off." In anycase, in response to Black's article (which was purged by the time I started this), from the cuts I saw, he is your typical screwed individual whose mind rotted sometime around birth. While I have always believed that it's not my place to decide if someone is actually a Christian, I would seriously doubt whether he has a right to claim such a title. His views are altogether unfounded (and not at all consistent with the Bible). I know of no Christians who would agree with him (although I do not claim to speak for all). Put simply he is f*cked up. At the risk of sounding like a Christian (God forbid), I would say that most of his beliefs are straight from the Devil himself. ---georgia