Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Path: utzoo!laura From: laura@utzoo.UUCP (Laura Creighton) Newsgroups: net.religion Subject: Re: Samuelson on Moral Relativism Message-ID: <5429@utzoo.UUCP> Date: Sat, 6-Apr-85 10:46:41 EST Article-I.D.: utzoo.5429 Posted: Sat Apr 6 10:46:41 1985 Date-Received: Sat, 6-Apr-85 10:46:41 EST References: <2580@ihuxf.UUCP> <1345@aecom.UUCP> <487@lll-crg.ARPA> <789@bunker.UUCP>, <865@pyuxd.UUCP> Organization: U of Toronto Zoology Lines: 26 The trick is that Gary Samuelson thought that Muffy might see his posting as a personal attack, and tried to combat that belief with his closing paragraph. Assuming that Gary Samuelson is candid, then he is looking for a way to condemn moral relativism without condeming moral relativists. I don't know how successful a paragraph can be in being such a way. We will see how Muffy takes it... Are you trying to condemn Christianity without condemning Christians? So far, the only evidence I have seems to indicate that you are trying to condemn Christianity through condemning Christians. Note that this is rather different from what Gary Samuelson is professing to do. The concept of ``hating the sin but loving the sinner'' is good for deep thoughts. Personally, I don't think that I have ever done this. I hate the sin, hate the sinner -- but when the sin goes away (or I realise that I was wrong in thinking that what someone else way doing was wrong) so does the hatred. Of course, my list of things that I will hate anybody for is rather short. I am curious as to whether anybody (still alive now) has actually managed to hate the sin but love the sinner. I can regret the sin but love the sinner, but when I turn on hatred it seems to be consistently both or neither. So this makes my list of ``things I think Christianity demands of you that are not humanly possible''. But maybe I just don't know how. Laura Creighton utzoo!laura