Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.1 6/24/83; site umcp-cs.UUCP Path: utzoo!linus!philabs!cmcl2!seismo!umcp-cs!mangoe From: mangoe@umcp-cs.UUCP (Charley Wingate) Newsgroups: net.religion Subject: Re: Hitler and Moral Relativism Message-ID: <4651@umcp-cs.UUCP> Date: Mon, 8-Apr-85 16:45:22 EST Article-I.D.: umcp-cs.4651 Posted: Mon Apr 8 16:45:22 1985 Date-Received: Wed, 10-Apr-85 00:04:41 EST References: <487@lll-crg.ARPA> <789@bunker.UUCP> <453@mcnc.mcnc.UUCP> Distribution: net Organization: U of Maryland, Computer Science Dept., College Park, MD Lines: 27 The most important problem I see with all this talk of moral relativism is that there seems to be the implication that individual standards of morality can be ignored. Let us suppose, for instance, a Nazi world government. How many dissenters does it take before Nazism becomes evil? 51%? 20%? 1? Jumping back to Martin Luther King: does a white southerner have a moral obligation to conform to the accepted views on him? According to Byron, it seems to me that he does, since dissent is viewed as socially disruptive and thus bad. I agree that there is an element of relativity inherent in moral systems. People just don't agree on the same things, although the degree of conformity is considerably higher than most tend to think (ignoring purely procedural differences). On the other hand, even people who claim to believe in relativism tend not to take it too seriously. To claim that no one has a right to force their system on another, for instance, is to deny relativity; suddenly this right has become absolute. It seems to me that most people tend to follow what I'll call a "basis" system. People by and large agree on a certain basic set of standards, which are treated as absolute. On top of this there are various regional, group, and personal standards, which are treated as being relative. Under such a system, for instance, the orthodox jew and the christian agree to forbid murder, but agree not to pressure each other to violate their private standards. U.S. law is based on just this sort of system. Charley Wingate umcp-cs!mangoe