Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.2 9/18/84; site rochester.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!bonnie!akgua!whuxlm!harpo!decvax!genrad!panda!talcott!harvard!seismo!rochester!bukys From: bukys@rochester.UUCP (Liudvikas Bukys) Newsgroups: net.religion.christian Subject: Re: Bible Translations Message-ID: <7720@rochester.UUCP> Date: Mon, 1-Apr-85 10:19:49 EST Article-I.D.: rocheste.7720 Posted: Mon Apr 1 10:19:49 1985 Date-Received: Wed, 3-Apr-85 02:05:15 EST References: <8368@watarts.UUCP> <1015@cbosgd.UUCP> <1084@topaz.ARPA> Organization: U. of Rochester, CS Dept. Lines: 51 Keywords: apocryphal, deuterocanonical apoc.ry.phal \-f*l\ adj 1 often cap : of or resembling the Apocrypha 2 : not canonical : SPURIOUS -- SYN see FICTITIOUS -- apoc.ry.phal.ly \-f*-le\ adv -- apoc.ry.phal.ness n deu.tero.ca.non.i.cal \.d(y)ut-*-ro-k*-'nan-i-k*l\ adj [NL deuterocanonicus, fr. deuter- + LL canonicus canonical] : of, relating to, or constituting the part of the Roman Catholic canon of scripture that contains writings whose authenticity has been questioned ------- So, how did the deuterocanonical pieces get into the Roman Catholic canon? Mostly because they appeared in some widely-used texts, in particular, in the Septuagint, often abbreviated as "LXX", a Greek translation of the Hebrew scriptures produced by a group of 70 scholars (hence the name) in the third century BC. Circa 100 AD, a synod of rabbis met at Jamnia, and agreed upon criteria by why which some texts were to be excluded from the canon, and provided for a new translation into Greek. ``Baruch and the Epistles of Jeremiah were not of Palestinian origin. Ecclesiasticus (Ben Sira) and First Maccabees were written after the time of Esdra. Tobit, along with parts of Daniel and Esther, were originally composed in Aramaic and also probably outside of Palestine, the book of Judith was probably written in Aramaic, and Wisdom and Second Maccabees were written in Greek.'' [The Catholic Catechism, John A. Hardon, S.J., Doubleday] "The Epistles of Jeremiah" doesn't ring a bell, so maybe that was dropped from the Catholic canon too. The Catholic list dates to 382 AD, from a declaration by Pope Damascus I, which follows the Septuagint. The Protestant Reformers challenged this, preferring to follow the Council of Jamnia. ------- The connotation of the word "apocryphal" when referring to the deuterocanonical books bothers me somewhat, in that it suggests that there is no good reason at all for their inclusion in anyone's canon. On the contrary, they are there for at least defensible historical reasons. Even from a Protestant or Jewish point of view, the deuterocanonical books are less apocryphal than other "Apocrypha". Liudvikas Bukys rochester!bukys (uucp) via allegra, decvax, seismo bukys@rochester (arpa) P.S. I seem to remember that some pretty old Hebrew texts of some of this stuff may have been discovered.