Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site pyuxd.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!burl!ulysses!gamma!pyuxww!pyuxd!rlr From: rlr@pyuxd.UUCP (Dr. Emmanuel Wu) Newsgroups: net.abortion Subject: Re: On the news (paranoids) Message-ID: <784@pyuxd.UUCP> Date: Wed, 27-Mar-85 14:56:38 EST Article-I.D.: pyuxd.784 Posted: Wed Mar 27 14:56:38 1985 Date-Received: Thu, 28-Mar-85 06:37:21 EST References: <379@gargoyle.UChicago.UUCP> <302@we53.UUCP> Organization: STRONGARM COLLECTION AGENCY: We have no slogan Lines: 71 > >What I asked, and what Brian has so far not answered, is how he knows > >the other side is ungodly and evil, and that those who do not > >recognize this are lacking in moral sense. > > I did answer, and answer again for you, the question > of how I know. They are proving it. I need not say a word. [THOMAS] People who believe that they "need not say a word" generally have nothing to say. Which explains why they don't say it. > I THOUGHT you read my article - you included part of it. But you are > playing a pre-recorded tape of some stereotyped opinion which I have > not expressed. I am simply saying, LOOK at the FACTS. OPEN your EYES. > I did NOT say, "get rid of them". I said, LOOK at their character. > Hear the ugliness of what they SAY, of what they LIVE. Then judge > for yourself. What of the ugliness of abortion clinic bombers? Of those who harrass women entering such clinics by calling them whores and murderers? If you want to judge by perceived ugliness, rather than facts, as you seem to be doing, I'd still say your "side" comes off badly. > It appears that YOU have learned nothing from Nazism, except the > Big Lie technique, that says the bigger the lie, the more people > will believe it. The essence of Nazism was the same old lie that > people today are believing in masses - that men are, and of right > ought to be, equal to God, and that God should be relegated to > his time in the past where he belonged. A new man was developing, > the Aryan race, foretold by the Tibetan monks and the likes of > Gurdjief and Eckardt. This new man had no need for the old Jewish > Christian God. The persecution of Jews was not in the name of > Christianity, it was in the name of pulling God from his throne. > Anti-Semitism arises from rejection of God, not from radical Christianity. > One of the foremost Christian teachers of the time, Dietrich > Bonhoeffer, was executed for allegedly plotting to assassinate > the Fuehrer. The real Christian church was as fiercely persecuted > as the Jews. Nazism happened in part because Christians of the time > did not recognize his real purposes and failed to stand against him > and his values. For a Christian so vehemently against Nazism, you (and the rest) were awful quiet when it appeared in net.religion... > >I live in the United States, which has a culture strongly influenced > >by Puritanism and the so-called Protestant ethic. It is anything but > >a hedonistic society. > > This period is known right now to friends AND foes of Christianity > as the "post-Christian period". The fact is, the Puritan influence you > speak of has faded. Thank goodness. (Actually, I don't believe this has happened, and what is needed is not the replacement of one with the other, but a balance between the two as determined by individuals.) > Any society that says, "if it feels good, it not only is all right to > do it, but I've got a RIGHT to do it, regardless of whom it hurts, is by > my definition(and most anyone's that I know of) hedonistic at its root. That's funny, I haven't seen such a society around these parts (though perhaps certain "Identity Christians" might like to...). Even funnier, it would seem that "regardless of whom it hurts" means little to those who would impose their views on others. > Stick to the facts, instead of ape-brained repetitions of some stereotype > you saw on TV. You'd be well advised to take your own advice. -- Life is complex. It has real and imaginary parts. Rich Rosen ihnp4!pyuxd!rlr