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From: rlr@pyuxd.UUCP (Dr. Emmanuel Wu)
Newsgroups: net.abortion
Subject: Re: Convenience of abortion
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Date: Sun, 31-Mar-85 19:45:47 EST
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Posted: Sun Mar 31 19:45:47 1985
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> I see that the debate has hit home with Mr Carnes.  Any deviation from his
> point of view is labled "paranoid".  My, my Mr. Carnes, who is it that is
> paranoid?  Who is it that is self-serving? By your own admission, you are
> one of those I seem to have goaded.  So, you are a self-centered, What's in
> it for me type, right?  Now that we all know where you are coming from, we
> can ignore your postings.    [T. C. WHEELER]

So, now that we know that you're a self-righteous, holier-than-thou who sees
in himself the power to determine what's justifiable in other people's lives,
we can ignore your postings, too.  At least those of us who have a concern
for personal freedom.

> For you and your group, I say it is
> time to come out of the woods and look at the broader
> issues.  Face the facts.  Examine your position.
> I and many others can see your position even if
> you can't.  Your position, plus that of several
> others on this net is Convenience, pure and simple.

I said this before, and got no reply:  So?  All personal freedoms are
based on convenience.  Isn't it more convenient to choose one's own
mode of worship/non-worship than to have the government decide for you?
Isn't it more convenient to choose what books you wish to read and
what forms of art you wish to appreciate than to have the "correct"
ones imposed upon you?  Isn't it more convenient to choose what you want
to do with your own body that to have the choice foisted upon you?
The buzzword of "convenience" is simply your buzzword:  it is applied by
you onto all things (apparently) that you don't think other people should
have the choice to do.  You claim that whether or not the fetus is a living
thing while inside a womb is NOT the issue:  it's the only issue.  You
drag in convenience simply because you don't like what other people choose
to do, and belittling them for choosing things out of "convenience" rather
than taking waht (to you) is the correct and more responsible thing to do.
Well, that's just your opinion, and all it's good for is being your
opinion!  It's truly self-centered on *your* part to believe that you have
some sort of moral edge that allows you to determine such things.

The issue continues to rest on the question of the fetus as a living thing
or not, something which I thought was already answered in the negative
after some long debate.  Which may be the reason why the anti-abortion
side has taken to arguments like "abortionists are all out for profit,
so it should be banned", "it's disgusting to talk about in the manipulative
terms we use to incite, so it should be banned", or "they're doing it out of
convenience and not taking the responsible action as I see it, the way I
had to do when I was a kid walking to school three miles a day uphill
both ways... (YAWN) ... so it should be banned".  Such arguments stem from
desperation.  They have no substance in the overall scheme of the discussion.
-- 
"Discipline is never an end in itself, only a means to an end."
						Rich Rosen   pyuxd!rlr