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Newsgroups: net.abortion
Subject: Re: Convenience of abortion
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Date: Sun, 31-Mar-85 10:55:10 EST
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I see that the debate has hit home with Mr Carnes.  
Any deviation from his point of view is labled
"paranoid".  My, my Mr. Carnes, who is it that
is paranoid?  Who is it that is self-serving?
By your own admission, you are one of those I
seem to have goaded.  So, you are a self-centered,
What's in it for me type, right?  Now that we all
know where you are coming from, we can ignore
your postings.  

You seem to think that the whole issue of abortion
rests on only one tiny point, where life starts.
Your wrong, Carnes, there are a multitude of issues,
all interconnected and varied.  People in your
category seem to be hung up on the debate over
when life begins.  Others are hung up on morality.
Still others will only debate the economics of the
problem.  For you and your group, I say it is
time to come out of the woods and look at the broader
issues.  Face the facts.  Examine your position.
I and many others can see your position even if
you can't.  Your position, plus that of several
others on this net is Convenience, pure and simple.
No thought is given to anything other than what
a child is going to do to your lifestyle.  You
choose, however, to ignore this basic premis in
your life and debate issues outside this circle.
I don't think the people who continue to ignore
their own inner thoughts and keep attaching
non-relevant reasons for their behaviour are
many, but thet sure are vocal.  

Now, as I have often said before, and I will say
again, ABORTION FOR THE PURPOSES OF BIRTH CONTROL
IS MURDER.  I will and do support birth control
education, awareness, and use.  I do not support
mindless intercourse with no thought to what
might and could happen.  The attitude that "
Oh well, if I get pregnant, I'll just get it aborted."
is self-serving and irresponsible.  

One more thing, I have the distinct felling that
some of the guys on this net who are such rabid
defenders of abortion, are doing so to impress
some woman.  How are ya doin fellas?  Didja get
her in bed yet?  Your sick, you know.

Finally, to Mr Carnes, since my last posting
seems to have struck a chord in your mind,
I suggest you see a doctor.  For the record,
I belong to no church, I march at no clinics,
I do not support any anti-abortion groups, I
do not applaud bombings.  I do abhor abortion
for convenience, I support birth control, I
do support education in the schools, I do
support abortion in some cases, I do support
counseling for pregnant women, I do see more
than one side to the story.  

As for you, Carnes, all I can see is one ridgid,
selfserving argument, "I want abortion on demand
because I don't want to upset my lifestyle or
have to exert any responsibility for my actions."
There are others on this net who do not echo this
attitude.  I have no argument with them.  They, at
least, can see other points of view.  It is when
someone like yourself sets themselves up as the
supreme authority on what's good for everyone else,
that I get my dander up.  

If you want to debate abortion, then get off the
birth control kick and debate the whole issue.  
Convenience is part of that issue.
T. C. Wheeler