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From: crazyc@ihuxk.UUCP (p. cioni)
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Subject: Re: Comment to T. C. Wheeler
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Date: Tue, 9-Apr-85 14:05:59 EST
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Posted: Tue Apr  9 14:05:59 1985
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> > T. C. Wheeler says:
> > 
> > > Now, as I have often said before, and I will say
> > > again, ABORTION FOR THE PURPOSES OF BIRTH CONTROL
> > > IS MURDER.
> > 
> > Either abortion is murder or it is not.  If it is,
> > the purpose is irrelevant.
> 
> Au contraire, ascertaining the purpose is essential to
> determining whether an act resulting in the death of
> a human being is murder.  If I shoot someone (for example),
> it could be an accident, self defense, or one of several
> degrees of murder; the determination is based on the
> court's assessment of my purpose.
> 
> Murder, as I understand the term, means to wrongfully
> and knowingly cause a human being's life to end.  Thus,
> abortion is usually NOT murder, because (presumably)
> the woman getting the abortion and the person performing
> it do not believe that they are killing a human being.
> I.e., I think that abortion in general is a wrongful
> taking of life, but not a knowing taking of life.
> 
> (As an aside, occassionally someone claims that pro-lifers
> want to throw everyone who has obtained or performed an
> abortion into jail; it should now be clear that it is
> possible to be opposed to something without wanting to throw
> its proponents into jail.)
> 
> Gary Samuelson
> ittvax!bunker!garys

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Mr. Samuelson, You're right about murder being knowingly taking a life.  If you believe that a fetus is not a human before a certain time, then my comments are not going to phase you.  My understanding of human life is that a human becomes a human upon conception, therefore, a 2 week fetus is considered a human being and having an abortion constitutes murder since this fetus is a human.  The woman having the abortion has been told she is pregnant and is expecting a BABY, not an it, which is what people seem to assume, (ie: a fetus is not a human being) and opts to have an abortion is knowingly killing a human being.

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                            P.  Cioni