Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: $Revision: 1.6.2.14 $; site siemens.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!burl!ulysses!allegra!princeton!siemens!bhs From: bhs@siemens.UUCP Newsgroups: net.auto Subject: Re: It isn't always radar in the West... Message-ID: <25300020@siemens.UUCP> Date: Wed, 10-Apr-85 09:24:00 EST Article-I.D.: siemens.25300020 Posted: Wed Apr 10 09:24:00 1985 Date-Received: Thu, 11-Apr-85 00:23:26 EST References: <1278@reed.UUCP> Lines: 36 Nf-ID: #R:reed:-127800:siemens:25300020:000:1966 Nf-From: siemens!bhs Apr 10 09:24:00 1985 David: There is always the possibility that the trap was not actually a trap, but rather a bogus trap, pulling over conpicuous looking cars. Now, while no real policeman is supposed to do this, it does happen, especially in areas where the local police feels reasonably confident that the court is tto far from your residence for you to challenge the ticket. One indication of such a scam would be if all tickets were written at 69 mph. This you can determine by subpoenaing previous and later tickets, I believe that you have the right to ask for 5 previous or later tickets. Check it out. Another factor worth checking would be whether or not there was in fact a plane in the sky. Thus, you could request documentation to that effect, or in fact ask the pilot of the plane to appear in court as a witness. Then, of course you can ask him when and where he was on the particular day in question. You should, however, do your homework first. Thus, you should find out how high the cloud cover actually was on the day in question, in the area in question. Weather bureaus, or the FAA could probably help you on that one. Even more sleuthful, but possibly effective if you suspect a false trap, would be to find out how many planes the state has, and where they are based. Tehn, maybe airport records may indicate whether any of the planes were in fact flying that day. You should then, in court, ask the pilot where he took off from, when, ask about refueling stops, and, then, how the weather was on the day in question. Of course, if he stats that the visibility was good, or sunny, or something to that effect, you have him. If not, ask him how high he was flying. Was he flying above or below clouds? IFR limits typically are 500 ft. above ground, he must have a special license to go below that limit. Also, perhaps there are special rules governing low level flight, were all of these rules obeyed? Good luck! Bernard H Schwab Siemens RTL, Princeton, NJ