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From: sunny@sun.uucp (Ms. Sunny Kirsten)
Newsgroups: net.misc,net.physics
Subject: Re: perpetual motion(the suppression of liquid hydrogen, a clean fuel)
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Date: Wed, 27-Mar-85 10:24:42 EST
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Posted: Wed Mar 27 10:24:42 1985
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There is only ONE renewable energy resource on this planet:  Solar Energy.
If you take a large solar collector array, and plug the electrodes into the
ocean, you get hydrogen and oxymorons.  Bottle the hydrogen, put it into
the tanks of the hydrogen burning cars (which burn it catalytically in
a fuel cell) and you get electricity to run your electric motor).  There,
wasn't that easier than mounting a collector array on your car or running
at the end of a long extension cord?  No pollution!  (As long as we make
solar collectors cleanly).  Now, what was the problem?
> > In article <608@vortex.UUCP> lauren@vortex.UUCP (Lauren Weinstein) writes:
> > >All these stories about miracle inventions being suppressed are usually
> > >just so much rot.  I've heard the same story for years about broadcast
> > >power and Tesla.  I have yet to see any evidence that it is other than
> > >a fairy tale.
> > 
> > While I tend to agree with Lauren that there is a lot of garbage being
> > passed around as truth, I have to wonder why our cars aren't powered
> > by liquid hydrogen (a non-polluting fuel) rather than gasoline.  And a 
> > host of other similar questions.  There is all too much evidence that
> > people tend to follow their own, very limited, self-interest, rather
> > than look for ways to benefit themselves while providing for the
> > common good.
> 
>      All right, I confess.  *I*'m the guy who bought up all of the liquid
> hydrogen producing wells, and I don't plan to sell until energy prices
> rise by a factor of 10 or so.  I'm currently storing about 20,000 gallons
> of it in my basement, which certainly helps my air conditioning bill in
> the summer.
> <sarcasm ends>
>      Just in case some of you out there haven't figured this out yet, it
> takes a lot of liquid hydrogen to run a lot of liquid hydrogen burning
> cars.  Since there aren't any liquid hydrogen wells, it takes a lot of
> electricity to tear water molecules open to get the hydrogen from them.
> In order to get all of that electricity, you usually create pollution in
> one way or another.  Since the cycle from fossil fuels => electricity =>
> liquid hydrogen => go-power for your car, is not particularly efficient,
> you have to burn much more fossil fuels to make liquid hydrogen for your
> cars than it would take to just make your car run off fossil fuels in the
> first place.  
>      Too bad.  It's nice to think that all of your problems are caused by
> some conspiracy among humans.  Just as often, however, the laws of physics
> make life tough, without any help from villains.
>      But liquid hydrogen burning cars will be great once electricity can be
> produced more cheaply and without causing pollution.
> -- 
> Jeff Sonntag
> ihnp4!mhuxt!js2j
>     "War is peace."-the ministry of truth

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