Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.2 9/5/84; site reed.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!burl!ulysses!mhuxr!ihnp4!houxm!vax135!cornell!uw-beaver!tektronix!reed!ellen From: ellen@reed.UUCP (Ellen) Newsgroups: net.singles,net.women Subject: Re: Re: boyfriends Message-ID: <1281@reed.UUCP> Date: Tue, 9-Apr-85 11:33:02 EST Article-I.D.: reed.1281 Posted: Tue Apr 9 11:33:02 1985 Date-Received: Thu, 11-Apr-85 00:38:43 EST References: <1186@houxm.UUCP> <1246@reed.UUCP> <8383@watarts.UUCP> Organization: Reed College, Portland, Oregon Lines: 33 Xref: watmath net.singles:6636 net.women:4750 > > Incidentally, now that I am more trained as a fighter, I would > > change that one "yes" to a "no." There are more direct ways to > > end harassment than evasive references to mythical boyfriends. > > > > Ellen > > Well, Now that *I* am more trained as a fighter (4 years of Karate) > I have a greater appreciation of of the *less* direct ways of ending > harassment. > > I might use physical intimidation as a bluff to get someone of my back, > but for a woman responding to a man such a bluff is bound to be called... > > - Rather than fight, run. > - If you can't run, hide. > - If you can't hide, fight to kill... but not over petty harrasment. > Carlo @ the U of Waterloo Okay, Carlo, you are correct in getting upset -- I phrased my incidentally somewhat inaccurately. I do not mean to imply that I would hit a guy who was harassing me. I include among my training skills such as verbal assertiveness (not aggressiveness), which was what I had in mind as an alternative to the evasive and weak boyfriend remark. I agree with you that physical conflict is to be avoided whenever possible, but would like to point out to you that, statistically speaking, most rapists will "check out" their potential victims by talking to them for from 3-10 minutes BEFORE the attack, and being assertive then is known to be a deterrent. That's all I meant, sorry if I alarmed people, I don't go around unnecessarily beating up men, end of clarification. Ellen