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From: regard@ttidcc.UUCP (Adrienne Regard)
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Subject: Madelyn's question
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Date: Fri, 19-Apr-85 16:18:00 EST
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Posted: Fri Apr 19 16:18:00 1985
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Re Paul Debuc's >A response to Madelyn T. Gould:

>You're making a lot of assumptions here.  Even if they were valid
>assumptions I don't think they would justify abortion.

Paul, do any of the assumptions matter?  Isn't the fact that she has
positively, determinedly, rationally decided NOT to have children enough?
What if there was absolutely NOTHING wrong with her?  But she simply,
clearly, specifically ruled out that possibility in her life, took all
adequate steps, legally and morally, against the eventuality, and still
ended up pregnant?

This isn't an issue of _convenience_ pro-lifer's like to flame against.
This isn't an issue of _sloth_ on the part of the woman involved.  This
isn't even an issue of _responsibility_ since the woman in question has
taken every avenue POSSIBLE to avoid pregnancy (short of refusing her
husband his conjugal rights, which action would surface a whole nother
issue). (moral issues and religious issues, too, remember).

Oh, I get it.  Sex is ONLY for procreation, right?  Act of God, even for
the atheists, right?  No one has free will to choose a course for their
life, right?  Especially if they disagree with you, right?

Is the rest of your argument really "everybody has to have kids" rather
than "abortion itself is wrong"?  Or "nobody get's any choice in this
world"?  Deep down in the heart of it, what are you proselytizing for?

For you, Paul, I'd be interested to hear whether you think abortion may
be justified in cases of rape/incest, and/or when the mother's life would
be endangered.  Is there _any_ time abortion is right?  Mail or post, as
you prefer.

I'd be interested in hearing what the other pro-lifers have to say to
Madelyn's question, too.  It's a revealing one.  Bravo.

P.S., Paul, no flame intended.  I'm _appalled_ by your argument, but I'm
willing to listen to clarification.