Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.2 9/5/84; site aicchi.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!burl!ulysses!mhuxr!ihnp4!aicchi!ignatz From: ignatz@aicchi.UUCP (Ihnat) Newsgroups: net.politics,net.flame,net.legal Subject: Re: Re. Personal Defense Message-ID: <437@aicchi.UUCP> Date: Fri, 12-Apr-85 11:03:39 EST Article-I.D.: aicchi.437 Posted: Fri Apr 12 11:03:39 1985 Date-Received: Sat, 13-Apr-85 05:36:24 EST References: <1518@decwrl.UUCP> <420@utai.UUCP> Reply-To: ignatz@aicchi.UUCP (Ihnat) Organization: Analysts International Corp; Chicago Branch Lines: 62 Xref: watmath net.politics:8499 net.flame:9223 net.legal:1548 Oh, Lord. Here it goes again; and again. This discussion has been flogged before...let's see...can we summarize some of the arguments we've seen before, so they don't get hauled out in 7-level-deep Re:Re:Re: message chains for the next 10 weeks? ---------------------------------- ---------------------------------- Yes, someone with personal defense weapons, who is trained and knows how to use them, and has the will, and the time, can off the baddie and thereby make his/her personal space safe. vs. Most people don't have the skill or training to carry anything more dangerous than a nail clipper; and of those who do, many have never had to exercise those skills on a moment's notice in a hazard situation, so they're not going to be effective, and probably dangerous to all and sundry. ------------------- I'm skilled, trained, and know that I'd be able to react properly vs. You say that; I don't know that. You can't just make exceptions to the law on your own. -------------- Nobody can tell me not to defend myself. I'm going to carry self-defense weapons; where are the police when you need them? vs. It's against the law; if you don't like the police protection where you live, then make the police get more efficient, and give them funding for more police if they need it. -------------- You would use deadly force just to keep a wallet or keep your house from being burglarized? How can you consider a human's life less important than your Cuisinart or your Amoco card? vs. In the first case, that's not all you can lose--you're obviously not a woman. (Usually posted by a man). Secondly, it's not the material property, it's the concept of individual safety and violation thereof. They may only take my wallet--or they may take my life. If they know that they stand a good chance of encountering deadly force, they won't try it. ---------------------------------- ---------------------------------- I'm sure I missed several of the arguments. The conclusion? There never was one; I *never* saw anyone posting on this argument change anyone else's mind, at least, not that they posted to the net. My opinion? I'm crazy. If anyone jumps me, I go psychotic immediately, and scare the hell out of them. Can we go on now? -- Dave Ihnat Analysts International Corporation (312) 882-4673 ihnp4!aicchi!ignatz