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From: keithd@cadovax.UUCP (Keith Doyle)
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Subject: Re: Why Creation?
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Date: Tue, 9-Apr-85 21:38:45 EST
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>     This leaves the believer in evolution just as much a man of faith as
>the believer in special creation. However, I have chosen the faith in creation
>as the evidence seems to side more with it.

>Lief Sorensen

I disagree.  However, much of this disagreement probably exists in our
definitions of 'Science'.  Evolution holds up much better than creation
when you look at things like: falsifiability, ability to make predictions
etc.  I suppose you could make a case that the sun is only 2 million miles
away instead of 93, and much smaller, and that you believe it is true.
I suppose you could then call this a religious belief, and that any
other estimates of the distance of the sun are also religious beliefs.
Certainly we have not traveled to the sun and measured the distance directly.
However, by using scientific principles that have proven to be true when
applied to similar environments that we can test and measure, so we
certainly have better evidence that the sun is actually 93 million miles
away.  Does this mean that we should teach our children with 'equal time'
and that some people believe that the sun is only 2 million miles away?
(that the earth is flat? etc.)

I have no objection to you believing what you like, just don't try to
pass it off as science.  Similarly, your efforts to argue that evolution
is not science either (if that's what you were getting at) rest on several
points that indicate little understanding of science or evolution.  And,
if you are trying to argue that science=religion, again I disagree.

If the bottom line is, you are arguing for 'equal time' then I must propose
this:

1.  The universe was created 5 minutes ago.

2.  It was created by a panel of 3 gods named Wilbur, Jack and Fred.

3.  They are all powerful, and created a 'fully operational' universe.

4.  Since they are all powerful, it only took them 12 seconds. (they only
    had to warm up)

Now.  Tell me why this belief is not EVERY BIT as valid as the Creationist
account and shouldn't also receive 'equal time' in the schools along with
Evolution and Creation.

Keith Doyle
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"You'll PAY to know what you REALLY think!"

P.S.  A question on the literal 'day' of genesis.  If I'm on the moon, or
on the surface of another planet, what does 'day' mean and why?