Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.2 9/18/84; site ubvax.UUCP Path: utzoo!linus!philabs!prls!amdimage!amdcad!cae780!ubvax!tonyw From: tonyw@ubvax.UUCP (Tony Wuersch) Newsgroups: net.philosophy Subject: Re: freedom and reason (attn russ, rich, & laura) Message-ID: <155@ubvax.UUCP> Date: Tue, 9-Apr-85 14:26:29 EST Article-I.D.: ubvax.155 Posted: Tue Apr 9 14:26:29 1985 Date-Received: Mon, 15-Apr-85 01:22:55 EST References: <362@aesat.UUCP> <5272@utzoo.UUCP> <137@ubvax.UUCP> <861@wucs.UUCP>, <150@ubvax.UUCP> <52@epsilon.UUCP> Organization: Ungermann-Bass, Inc., Santa Clara, CA Lines: 35 > Tony: > > I think you've run two concepts together, namely will and capacity. Being > bound does not necessarily imply a lack of will, simply a lack of the > ability to carry out that will. > > There is a third component also: desire. > > Ed Sheppard > Bellcore I'm glad Ed brings up desire. I agree there is a distinction between will and desire, but I wouldn't bring capacity into it. Desire is what one wants to achieve via will (the world and one's instruments of control coming together), while will is what one can achieve at a given moment. Desire is the goal to which will applies itself. Perhaps Ed has a view of will as a passive learner (by passive I mean via a mode of sitting, watching, and thinking -- maybe active thinking) like Laura Creighton has. What separates desire from will in your perspective? Tony Wuersch {amd,amdcad}!cae780!ubvax!tonyw ------------------------------------------------------------------------ There was no guns, there were no tanks, there weren't atomic bombs And to be frank -- oh boy -- there were no arms Just people, working, hand in hand There was a feeling of peace all across the land It was a dream ... wakeup ... Just a ... getup wakeup ... wakeup from "Wakeup" -- by Run-DMC