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From: friesen@psivax.UUCP (Stanley Friesen)
Newsgroups: net.philosophy
Subject: Re: EXACTAMOONDO!! (Sarima on free will)
Message-ID: <402@psivax.UUCP>
Date: Mon, 15-Apr-85 19:14:19 EST
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Posted: Mon Apr 15 19:14:19 1985
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In article <880@wucs.UUCP> pvt1047@wucec2.UUCP (Paul V. Torek) writes:
[In reply to Rich Rosen]
>Actually I think those actions show that you *do* believe you have
>free will -- *in the original, primary sense of the term*.  Namely,
>in the sense in which free will = self-control by evaluation of options,
>AND ***NOT*** = a "ghost in the machine".  The false association of
>free will with "ghost in the machine" stems from our religious tradition
>and is supported by overzealous "debunkers" like Rosen. 
>
	It is, in my mind, made even *more* illegitimate by the fact
that our religious tradition of a "ghost-in-the-machine" is a result
of an improper fusion of Greek philosophy(Gnosticism) and
Judaeo-Christian scriptures. If you look into the *original* meaning
of the word "soul" in the Judaeo-Christian scriptures you will find it
meant essentially the emotional and conceptual basis for behavior,
that is, essentially what a Freudian psychoanalyst would call the
"ego"(I think - or perhaps the "id"). Thus a soul in the true Biblical
sense is not the *source* of free-will it is in fact a *result* or
expression of it!  In other Rosen has it backwards!
-- 

				Sarima (Stanley Friesen)

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