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From: rlr@pyuxd.UUCP (Dr. Emmanuel Wu)
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Subject: Re: Self Imprisonment
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Date: Thu, 18-Apr-85 12:58:53 EST
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> Michael Ellis,
> I think you misunderstood me. I agree with you. I agree with you for
> more or less precisely the reasons that you gave. I was trying to
> point out the difficulties involved in believing in an entirely
> mechanistic and deterministic fatalism -- which I what I still think
> Rosen believes in. Alas -- you understand me and take me seriously,
> and Rosen still doesn't understand. I give up. If you can explain this
> to Rich Rosen, please do -- I can't figure out what I am doing wrong. [LAURA]

What you are doing wrong is that the "difficulties" you describe above
that you attribute to what you call "deterministic fatalism" (something
I certainly wouldn't call it---it implies a "determiner", which I see
no reason to believe in), that these difficulties are nothing more than
your own wishful thinking---you don't LIKE the consequences of such a
universe, thus you ASSUME that another model holds that describes it
"better" because you like it better.  You have up until now failed to
delineate any actual "difficulties" with such a perspective of the universe.
*You* give up?  (And to think some people claim that *I* have some sort
of attitude problem?)

(I know my attitude problem with respect to certain people:  I don't agree with
them, and if I should, Ubizmo forbid, show some errors in their models or their
beliefs, I am "attacking" them.  I'll have to correct this attitude problem
as soon as possible...)
-- 
"When you believe in things that you don't understand, you'll suffer.
 Superstition ain't the way."		- Stevie Wonder ("Superstition")
	Rich Rosen  ihnp4!pyuxd!rlr