Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.2 9/18/84; site topaz.ARPA Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!burl!ulysses!mhuxr!mhuxt!houxm!whuxl!whuxlm!harpo!decvax!genrad!panda!talcott!harvard!seismo!columbia!topaz!josh From: josh@topaz.ARPA (J Storrs Hall) Newsgroups: net.politics.theory Subject: Re: The origin of ownership--THE libertarian stand Message-ID: <1216@topaz.ARPA> Date: Mon, 15-Apr-85 20:06:07 EST Article-I.D.: topaz.1216 Posted: Mon Apr 15 20:06:07 1985 Date-Received: Thu, 18-Apr-85 04:50:08 EST References: <886@wucs.UUCP> Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J. Lines: 27 A very interesting discussion of property rights by Mr. Wego. However, the concept of "property" elucidated within differs from that which is commonly associated with the term, in at least one important respect. Wego defines a property right in terms of the obligations of other persons not to interfere with the owner's use thereof, and shows that such property rights can arise out of basic libertarian non-agression principles. However, as Mr. Wego notes, such property rights suffer from dilution from the claims of "new" persons not party to the original compacts or compensations. Suppose someone appropriated your body while you were sleeping (and thus not making use of it). He attaches it to some machine which makes profitable use of the autonomic reflexes or body chemistry. If you attempt to regain use of "your" body (in such a way as to leave the machine) you are interfering with his use of it and thus "agressing" him. I disagree with the derivation of property rights from non-agression principles (even though it is quite logically consistent); the example above may help to show why. I assume a (more thoroughgoing) definition of property as an axiom--the non-agression principle can be derived from it in its turn. (See early writings of Rothbard.) This is the point over which I've occasionally labelled myself "propertarian" rather than "libertarian". --JoSH