Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.2 9/18/84; site cybvax0.UUCP Path: utzoo!linus!philabs!cmcl2!seismo!harvard!think!mit-eddie!cybvax0!mrh From: mrh@cybvax0.UUCP (Mike Huybensz) Newsgroups: net.politics.theory Subject: Problems with libertarianism. Message-ID: <485@cybvax0.UUCP> Date: Mon, 22-Apr-85 13:24:49 EST Article-I.D.: cybvax0.485 Posted: Mon Apr 22 13:24:49 1985 Date-Received: Fri, 26-Apr-85 20:26:05 EST Reply-To: mrh@cybvax0.UUCP (Mike Huybensz) Organization: Cybermation, Inc., Cambridge, MA Lines: 41 References: In a recent article, one libertarian spoke of "natural rights". I don't believe rights exist. They are convenient legal fictions like corporations. Thus the search for "natural rights" is akin to the quest for other supernatural entities (like gods.) We choose the legal fictions based on social goals, one of which is non-coercion. Another common goal is social stability. There are trade- offs between all these goals, and I have yet to see a convincing argument for one to be placed above all others. It is relatively easy to show that an excess of attention to one goal (such as non-coercion) leads to an assortment of problems in attending to other goals. By reducing negative feedback, you allow (for example) class and racial divisions to grow and fester. There are enough examples in the world of these problems to convince me that preventing their growth by coercive nipping in the bud of their roots (to mix and mutillate some metaphors) is an important task. This, really, is the basic problem with libertarianism. "United we stand, divided we fall"-- and libertarianism wants to pull the teeth that keep us united. On several levels. Politically and economically. A simple example of this principle is the cartel. If there was a whaling cartel, whales would not be in danger of extinction. The cartel would manage the whales to maximize yield. But because there is no good way to enforce a cartel among equals and newcomers, it falls apart (like OPEC) or is never started (and thus we have the decline of the whales.) We do have working examples of successful cartels in the US though: state game management. Before hunting became regulated, white-tail deer became practically extinct in NY state. Since (I think it was Teddy) Roosevelt, they have been managed, and have a huge, maintainable population. The examples where maximization of benefits can only be secured by enforcing cooperation are innumerable. Unless cheating is made uneconomic, cooperation will dissolve or never appear. It's nice to minimize the coercion required, but to make that a priority goal will cause cooperation to suffer. -- Mike Huybensz ...decvax!genrad!mit-eddie!cybvax0!mrh