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From: mrh@cybvax0.UUCP (Mike Huybensz)
Newsgroups: net.religion
Subject: Re: the Temptations (not a singing group)
Message-ID: <456@cybvax0.UUCP>
Date: Tue, 9-Apr-85 13:30:26 EST
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Posted: Tue Apr  9 13:30:26 1985
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In article <4644@umcp-cs.UUCP> mangoe@umcp-cs.UUCP (Charley Wingate) writes:
> In article <450@cybvax0.UUCP> mrh@cybvax0.UUCP (Mike Huybensz) writes:
> >I ask JC to show me a miracle NOW.  He says that he doesn't produce
> >performances on demand but that I should have seen miracle number 27 in
> >the previous town.  JC travels to the next town and reports that I was
> >convinced by his miracle number 28, but that he's not going to do another
> >miracle right now.
> 
> >Yes, frauds do co-opt statements of others.  However, it would be odd for
> >honest people to appear to use the same techniques it fraud would, as JC
> >does.
> 
> Now wait a minute, take the thing in context!!!!  It IS Satan he is talking
> to, after all.  Why shouldn't God refuse to work miracles for Satan?  Why
> shouldn't he justify it with scripture?  Seems to me you are demanding to
> see miracles on demand.  Isn't that just a wee bit presumptious?

No, JC is talking to me, and uses as his excuse his story of refusing to
work miracles for Satan.  "Why just the other day, Satan asked me to do
just that" he says.  Needless to say I am discomfited because he is
implying I am like Satan to ask such a thing.

And you're damn right I'm asking to see miracles on demand.  I'd say the
presumption is on the part of JC claiming to be a miracleworker.  If I
was wrong, my apologies would be sincere and I wouldn't need further
evidence.  However, I certainly wouldn't ask anyone to believe on less
evidence than I insist on for myself.  The way many apostles and the like
must have.

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Mike Huybensz		...decvax!genrad!mit-eddie!cybvax0!mrh