Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.2 9/5/84; site cvl.UUCP Path: utzoo!linus!philabs!cmcl2!seismo!umcp-cs!cvl!david From: david@cvl.UUCP (David Harwood) Newsgroups: net.religion.christian Subject: reply to Paul DuBois, concerning excommunication Message-ID: <278@cvl.UUCP> Date: Wed, 10-Apr-85 17:41:42 EST Article-I.D.: cvl.278 Posted: Wed Apr 10 17:41:42 1985 Date-Received: Fri, 12-Apr-85 07:09:48 EST Distribution: net Organization: Computer Vision Lab, U. of Maryland, College Park Lines: 40 Reply to a question ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >From: dubois@uwmacc.UUCP (Paul DuBois) Newsgroups: net.religion.christian Subject: A Question Message-ID: <878@uwmacc.UUCP> Date: 9 Apr 85 22:36:19 GMT Now I'll ask a question. You know in Acts where Ananias lied to the Holy Spirit and ended up laid out? Ok, now think about this. I never noticed this before, though I've read this story many times. What happened next? The young men came in and carried him out and buried him. A few hours later his wife Sapphira comes in, not knowing what happened, and Peter says, "sell it for so much?" She says "yep". He says die. She dies. They come in and carry her out and bury her, too. Now, HOW COME SHE DIDN'T KNOW THAT HER HUSBAND WAS DEAD? Don't you think it's a little strange that they would bury her husband without even telling her? So she could pay her last respects or something? What's going on here? ?????? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Elsewhere, Paul says that the assembly will turn out a certain flagrant sinner from their midst (handing him over to Satan), so that he might suffer and possibly come to repentance: this very act of excommunication may effect this psychological alienation of the one from God, so that he is cut off from God as well as fellowship. My point is that "eternal life" and "life", also "death" and "sleep", are usually ambiguous figures for spiritual or material existence. From the religious point of view, the one who is "cut off" from God is as good as dead already, even if he is said to live. With this understanding, there is no contradiction; the two have simply been excommunicated. They may be said to be buried, just as it is said that Jesus raised some to life. David Harwood