Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.1 6/24/83; site unm-cvax.UUCP Path: utzoo!linus!philabs!cmcl2!lanl!unmvax!unm-cvax!cwayne From: cwayne@unm-cvax.UUCP Newsgroups: net.startrek Subject: on the Enterprise Message-ID: <335@unm-cvax.UUCP> Date: Fri, 12-Apr-85 12:58:55 EST Article-I.D.: unm-cvax.335 Posted: Fri Apr 12 12:58:55 1985 Date-Received: Thu, 18-Apr-85 08:29:01 EST Reply-To: cwayne@unm-cvax.UUCP (Chris Wayne) Organization: Univ. of New Mexico, Albuquerque Lines: 85 >From: chenr@tilt.FUN (Ray Chen) >Subject: Re: Re: more stuff >Date: 8 Apr 85 08:56:06 GMT >Organization: Princeton University EECS Dept > >> Wasn't there a carrier in WWII named "Enterprise"? Was this decommissioned >> (scrapped) before the current nuclear version? > >Yes. I think the Enterprise was the only U.S. carrier in the Pacific Fleet to >survive all of WWII. Not quite. The sister to the "Lady Lex", USS Saratoga CV-3 survived the war only to be lost at Bikini. At least she went down like her sister. And don't forget the USS Ranger CV(L)-4, the first US carrier to be built from the keel up as a carrier. > >It's hard to say when a name will get used again. In the case of >famous ships who were lost "honorably" in battle, their names are often >used again immediately, perhaps in memory of the old ship. For >example, the Lexington was sunk in the Battle of Coral Sea and the >Yorktown at Midway, and ships with both names were back in commission >before the end of WWII. Then again, both the Yorktown and the >Lexington got sunk while beating off most of the Japanese Imperial >fleet (at very bad odds to boot). The ST Enterprise bit it taking on a >Klingon scout ship, so maybe the name won't get re-used for a while... Yes but, When the Essex class Lexington was commissioned, her captain was not the same captain that commanded the CV-2 Lexington! The same was true for the Yorktown, Hornet, and Wasp. Also remember that there was a war on! At the time of STIII-T(I)SFS, there is no on-going war! The reasons that the carriers were named after their sunken predecessors were for honnor, moral, and propaganda. For honnor to keep the name of a gallant ship alive and in hopes that the ship will do at least as good. To help keep the men's moral up and increase their confidence if the ship survives and does damage to the enemy. And finally, to scare the hell out of the enemy and demoralize them, making them think "I thought she was sunk". > >mean, we're talking about a 200,000+ -ton heavy cruiser which 10 years >ago was the pride of the Fleet and was completely upgraded less than 5 >years ago. New warp engines, new computer systems, new hull material, I think she was the pride of the fleet a few more years ago than that. If we use as year 1, the first time Spock and Pike were on the Enterprise, we can build the following time table. year event ---- ----- - Enterprise authorized, built and commissioned at San Fransico with April looking on. - commanded by April and then Winter (at least a total of seven years before Pike). 1 Spock serves under Pike on Enterprise for first time. 12 First season with Kirk in command. 13 "Space Seed" (earth year ~2296) 16 end of Kirk's first five year mission. 19 Kirk to Admiral, upgraded Enterprise, ST-TMP 28 STII-TWOK, STIII-T(I)SFS According to this then, she was the pride of the fleet over 12 years ago and upgraded 9 years ago. This also shows that she is at least 28 years old and more likely over 35. (allow +/- 1 year lee way) > >I could believe that they wouldn't want to spend the money to >repair her after the battle with the Reliant, IF AND ONLY IF >they were very sure of the technology being tested on the Excelsior >AND they had other Excelsior-class ships in the process of being >constructed. After all, one ship does not a fleet make. However, >in that case, the entire *fleet* is obsolete. Remember the old, now defunct pre-Excelsior class dreadnaughts? Three warp engines, had names like USS Star Empire and Koncordium? where are they now? Rob Mitchell said that the nuclear carrier Enterprise was not a CVA. But, I claim it was a CVA(N) before it was changed to CVN, mainly because all of the old WWII carriers are no longer on active service. "Are the Soviet warships now called Michale's Navy?" Chris Wayne @ UNM