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From: dmcanzi@watdcsu.UUCP (David Canzi)
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Subject: Re: A white man speaks his mind. (Part 2)
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Date: Wed, 17-Apr-85 04:42:10 EST
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Summary: Sorry, Judy.

In article <2285@wateng.UUCP> jamcmullan@wateng.UUCP (Judy McMullan) writes:
>         There is the way you say something and there is the way it is
>understood. Times change and the language changes and part of communication
>is making sure you understand how to phrase things so you will be understood.
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I can see I haven't done this well, Judy.

First, let me make it clear that I feel there is an important
difference between *being* *proud* of somebody else's accomplishments
and *admiring* somebody else's accomplishments.  Admiration is merely
the recognition of the greatness of some person's accomplishments.
Being proud of some other person's accomplishments is usually based on
great accomplishments and some shared characteristic, such as race or
sex.  This type of pride has the connotation that the greatness of one
member of a group rubs off on the rest of the group.

It is considered commendable for a woman to be proud of the
accomplishments of other women, when a large component of this pride is
based on their shared membership in the female sex.  It is considered
disgusting for a man to be proud of the accomplishments of other men,
if that pride is based on their shared membership in the male sex.
(It's commendable if that pride is based on shared membership in the
human species.)

I posted that article to point out this double standard, provoke some
discussion, and try to see how other people resolve it, not to defend
or expound racism and sexism.  And afterwards I intended to make a point.
I thought that these articles, with the deliberately offensive title,
would be a clever way to get around to making my point.  Maybe too clever.

>   --from the sssstickkky keyboard of JAM
>   ...!{ihnp4|clyde|decvax}!watmath!wateng!jamcmullan
-- 
	David Canzi

"Too clever is dumb."