Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.2 9/18/84; site ucbvax.ARPA Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!burl!ulysses!mhuxr!ihnp4!ucbvax!info-vax From: info-vax@ucbvax.ARPA Newsgroups: fa.info-vax Subject: Re: Miscellaneous 4.0 hiccups Message-ID: <6321@ucbvax.ARPA> Date: Wed, 17-Apr-85 13:51:23 EST Article-I.D.: ucbvax.6321 Posted: Wed Apr 17 13:51:23 1985 Date-Received: Thu, 18-Apr-85 03:30:53 EST Sender: daemon@ucbvax.ARPA Organization: University of California at Berkeley Lines: 72 From: LEICHTER I've stumbled across lots of 'em since the last episode. Most of them involve third-party software, of course, but here are some DEC-only ones. Diskquota: The sequence USE , CREATE, REBUILD, REMOVE led to *no one* being able to write any files without EXQUOTA. SHOW QUOTA still insisted that there were no quota entries for the given UIC's that were having trouble. Why?? I see no subtleties in the Diskquota utility. REMOVE should perform as advertised; I suspect that it is not, and leaving rat turds around. Someone else already answered this. Consider the sequence of commands you used, though - how did you expect DISKQUOTA to figure out what quotas to assign to all those UIC's it found on the disk? Phone: It doesn't work at all. If I answer someone who is calling me, I get this trash about ''attempting to continue after a transmission error'', and more than likely an access violation. The calling end simply exits without a whimper. Or something like that. It's so f*cked up that I don't want to deal with it until someone tells me the stupid simple thing I haven't done, or I get a fix, or comfirmation that it is indeed screwed up beyond all belief. Will someone please put my mind at ease?? The most likely thing is that you haven't INSTALL'ed PHONE with the necessary privileges. You don't say what kind of system you are running on. I haven't checked the full VMS distribution, but in the MicroVMS distribution, the installation of PHONE, and several other utilities, is done in SYS$MANAGER:SYSTARTUP.COM, but it is commented out. Check the file to be sure. BTW, if you adapted a V3 SYSTARTUP file, be aware that PHONE now needs a new privilege. The correct privilege list is: SYSNAM PRMMBX WORLD OPER NETMBX Mail: What the hell is MAIL/PROTOCOL all about? Why isn't it in the manual? It's a hook to allow the user interface part of the MAIL program to use trans- port mechanisms other than the MAIL-11 protocol running on DECnet. It's not documented because it's not finished and not supported. Spawn: Why didn't they fix the cretinous stuff about associated mailboxes? Because it's very hard to do. The assumption that a device has at most one associated mailbox is buried in a lot of low-level code. It's still on everyone's wanted list... $brdcst: Why does this *not* check for the existence of OPER privs? I have people with the usual two default privs using an old sender program with universal success, *without* my having installed it with OPER. What gives? BUG; fixed in VMS V4.1. BTW, there is a related bug in REPLY which does not allow you to REPLY/TERM to a terminal you own...also fixed in 4.1. General: Is there a way to *extract* what a CLD source looked like from DCLTABLES? *That* would be one way to find these undocumented commands... No, there is no supported way. It's not that hard to figure out how to do it from the fiche, and programs to do it (for V3) have appeared on DECUS tapes. Be aware that "undocumented" means "unsupported" and "uncommited". Expect anything you may glean from this to change, breaking your code, at the next release. _H* [close to nuking Manyard] General comment: INSTALL THE VMS 4.1 UPGRADE!!! NOW!!! V4 represents a VERY large change from V3; there's hardly a piece of code that didn't change. There are a lot of bugs as a result. The 4.1 upgrade contains something like 67 patches. This despite two field tests at a LOT of sites for something like 9 months... Oh, BTW, the 4.1 upgrade fixes up many of the standard CLD definitions - so the .CLD's are right there in the update saveset. Wink wink, nudge nudge. -- Jerry -------