Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.2 9/18/84; site watdcsu.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!watdcsu!herbie From: herbie@watdcsu.UUCP (Herb Chong [DCS]) Newsgroups: net.audio Subject: Re: A-B CD comments Message-ID: <1284@watdcsu.UUCP> Date: Mon, 22-Apr-85 10:26:36 EST Article-I.D.: watdcsu.1284 Posted: Mon Apr 22 10:26:36 1985 Date-Received: Tue, 23-Apr-85 06:09:12 EST References: <260@moncol.UUCP> <3612@alice.UUCP> Reply-To: herbie@watdcsu.UUCP (Herb Chong [DCS]) Organization: U of Waterloo Lines: 47 Summary: In article <3612@alice.UUCP> ark@alice.UUCP (Andrew Koenig) writes: >> The BOSE tends to be very forgiving of suboptimal sources, and might >> lack the resolution to differentiate between the players. > >I would like to see your evidence for this claim. for starters, by its very design, the Bose 901's are nonlinear phase transducers. the primary sound is from the rear speakers which reflect off of the walls and back into the listening area. great cancellations occur between the back sound wave and the one from the front speaker. there are 8 drivers in the back. even if each were an ideal point source, the combined is anything but, and after reflecting off of uncontrolled wall surfaces with absorption curves that can be wildly different between setups, flat freqency response can't be guaranteed even with equalization. which brings up another point, the supplied equalizer. the drivers in the 901's are 5 inches nominal diameter. equalization must be supplied to bring up the low end and the high end to get flat response. this also means that the 5" drivers are being used well above 10K. yes, plenty of boost will even allow a 10" woofer to play a 15K tone decently, but how much power do you have to supply when the natural roll-off of the driver is 6dB/octave above 5K? so you put high power voice-coils in, as Bose did, which increases mass, which decreases the natural roll-off frequency. fortunately, he uses a sophisticated ducting system to achieve decent low frequency response without equalization, but then massive phase shifts are produced, and the air from the ducts are such high velocity that you can sometimes hear them whistling (depends upon how much other frequencies are being reproduced at the same time). the direct/reflecting principle is very interesting and has some theoretical advantages, but they are hardly ever realized in practice. the equalizer removes some of the variables, but using electrostatic elements and properly designed conventional woofer would have been better from the point of view of reduced driver mass and little or no equalization in the high frequencies. of course, electrostatic elements have a whole set of problems of their own, but they are more appropriate for another discussion. the type of drivers that Omar Bose should have used given his design requirements were horrendously expensive back when he started and notoriously unreliable. quads were about the only option. Herb Chong... I'm user-friendly -- I don't byte, I nybble.... UUCP: {decvax|utzoo|ihnp4|allegra|clyde}!watmath!water!watdcsu!herbie CSNET: herbie%watdcsu@waterloo.csnet ARPA: herbie%watdcsu%waterloo.csnet@csnet-relay.arpa NETNORTH, BITNET, EARN: herbie@watdcs, herbie@watdcsu