Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.2 9/18/84; site unmvax.UUCP Path: utzoo!decvax!genrad!panda!talcott!harvard!seismo!cmcl2!lanl!unmvax!starr From: starr@unmvax.UUCP Newsgroups: net.auto Subject: turbocharger lag Message-ID: <812@unmvax.UUCP> Date: Mon, 22-Apr-85 15:01:38 EST Article-I.D.: unmvax.812 Posted: Mon Apr 22 15:01:38 1985 Date-Received: Tue, 23-Apr-85 23:59:35 EST Distribution: na Organization: Univ. of New Mexico, Albuquerque Lines: 42 I have seen some hypotheses flying around about the causes of the inherent lag of turbochargers. Allow me to offer my theory...I apologize in advance for any errors regarding thermodynamics, I have been away from this subject for about 15 years (mercifully). Anyway, when one is cruising at part throttle, the turbo impeller is also cruising at maybe 20,000 rpm. When one suddenly increases the throttle setting to maximum, the impeller must accelerate to its peak speed, maybe 90,000 rpm. Well, folks, the impeller has inertia, and it just doesn't accelerate instantly. It takes *time* to achieve this velocity, and this is the lag you perceive. A number of things can be done to reduce this, but I just want to point out the main reason it happens. One of the methods to reduce the lag is to keep the working fluid (exhaust gas) as hot as possible when it enters the turbocharger. The theoretical efficiency of a heat engine (of which the turbo is one) is directly related to the inlet temperature of the working fluid, e.g. exhaust gas. So if can keep the exhaust gas *hot* you get more efficiency, implying more torque, implying less lag and higher peak boost, etc... This is why you want the turbo close to the exhaust manifold, to keep the exhaust gas as hot as possible. Now this has been known to readers of Hot Rod Magazine since around 1963, when a GM engineer named Dick Griffin won the '62 NHRA Nationals with a 1962 Corvair Spyder. Dick ran in G/Stock, and cut an E.T. of 15.3 sec at around 89 mph. One of his modifications (the one that helped most) was to wrap the exhaust pipe leading from the manifold to the turbo in sheet asbestos which had been dipped in sodium silicate (water glass), then to wrap in aluminum foil. This insulated the pipe (which was around 2 feet long) and kept the gases hotter. And boy did it work!! The lag was cut in half (to maybe one second) and the peak boost just about doubled. And you could *really* feel it! I know, I performed the same mod on both a '62 and '65 Spyder. "Corvairs forever...Ralph Nader be d****d" Greg Starr Robotics Research Lab University of New Mexico, Albuquerque {lanl, ucbvax, gatech...}!unmvax!starr