Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.2 9/18/84 exptools; site hlexa.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!burl!ulysses!mhuxr!ihnp4!hlexa!hsf From: hsf@hlexa.UUCP (Henry Friedman) Newsgroups: net.books,net.physics Subject: Re: Re: Superforce by Davies(?)? (reposting) Message-ID: <4154@hlexa.UUCP> Date: Mon, 15-Apr-85 13:17:24 EST Article-I.D.: hlexa.4154 Posted: Mon Apr 15 13:17:24 1985 Date-Received: Tue, 16-Apr-85 01:11:36 EST References: <129@tardis.UUCP> <10033@tardis.UUCP> <9883@brl-tgr.ARPA> Distribution: net Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories, Short Hills, NJ Lines: 42 Xref: watmath net.books:1672 net.physics:2444 You guys are not being quite fair to Davies. Although he does get (possibly) a bit carried away with philosophical implications in a few places, SUPERFORCE is basically a solid description of unification physics. And as has been mentioned, some very solid modern elementary particle physics, especially on the theoretical side (not yet experimentally confirmed), can sound somewhat bizarre on first exposure. I recommend SUPERFORCE if you: 1) want a clear exposition of elementary particles and forces, 2) want to understand the progress that has been made in unification of the four forces, such as the Grand Unified Theories and supersymmetry. 3) want the clearest explanation I've yet seen on the relationship between purely geometrical theories of matter and forces, on the one hand, and the quantum (boson carrier of forces) approach, on the other hand. 4) want to understand the relationship between experimental and theoretical physics. I suspect that some of the previous criticisms posted are not quite accurate. For example, although I haven't returned to the text to check every accusation, I don't recall that Davies meant that nothingness was full of energy, etc. I do recall that he said that space (spacetime) was different from nothingness, i.e., was part of the physical universe. And the Heisenberg Uncertainty principle allows that virtual particles are continuallly popping in and out of existence in "empty space." A few of Davies conclusions about the virtual impossibility of proving the supersymmetry theory seem to be already dated (see April 1985 issue of DISCOVER magazine, describing Carlo Rubbia's latest findings in the article "The Ultimate Theory of Everything"). But such findings only make the main discussion in SUPERFORCE that much more relevant and interesting. This is not to say you guys don't have some valid gripes about portions of the book. But discouraging people from reading it for the reasons stated would be "throwing out the baby with the bath water." --Henry Friedman