Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Path: utzoo!laura From: laura@utzoo.UUCP (Laura Creighton) Newsgroups: net.politics.theory Subject: Re: Reparations -- the issues Message-ID: <5524@utzoo.UUCP> Date: Mon, 22-Apr-85 14:04:28 EST Article-I.D.: utzoo.5524 Posted: Mon Apr 22 14:04:28 1985 Date-Received: Mon, 22-Apr-85 14:04:28 EST References: <909@wucs.UUCP> Organization: U of Toronto Zoology Lines: 44 The issue of compensation (reparations) is Nozick's big contribution to libertarian thought. It is part of his ``just holdings'' issue. The whole belief in reparations is not shared by most libertarians. The assumption that it is always possible to put a price on something is a falacy - prices are what sellers and buyers determine when they want to reach an agreement, not something that somebody arbitrarily can decide by fiat. [In libertaria, of course -- I am well aware of marketting boards...] So Moe wants compensation for not having his land and Joe decides that he owes Moe compensation. Now what? Will they agree on a price -- probably not. Say Joe gives Moe the land back. Who pays Joe for improving the land? Moe? not likely -- Moe is broke. Sell the land? Boy, is there going to be a glut on the market! Another problem is where do responsibilities stop? If my grandfather ripped off somebody, do I owe that somebody's grandchildren? I think not. I do not think that dead people (well, people whose wills were not contested and so on) can be held responsible for their actions (since they are dead) and I don't think that their descendents can be held responsible either. It would have been good to fix the injustice at the time of my grandfatehr, yes, and if I am being injust it is good to nail me for it -- but I am not responsible for the crimes of my grandfather, even though I may benefit from those crimes. Given that we have not always lived in libertaria, it is reasonable to assume that a heck of a lot of injustice has occurred in the past. Everybody has suffered and everybody has benefitted. It may not even out, but it does mean that injustices *now* are more to the point than injustices *then*. If my great-great-grandparents had not faced religious persecution (injustice) in their homelands, I would not have been born. This does not make religious persecution good either -- but I certainly benefitted from it. The world is full of these good consequences of evil events and evil consequences of good events. You cannot ever determine how much anybody owes ``everybody else'' or ``society'' or ``mankind'' - it always works out to being ``what somebody says that you do''. WHich is why Nozick does not go down very smoothly in a good many libertarian circles. busy now, maybe back later... Laura