Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.2 9/5/84; site cvl.UUCP Path: utzoo!linus!philabs!cmcl2!seismo!umcp-cs!cvl!david From: david@cvl.UUCP (David Harwood) Newsgroups: net.religion.christian Subject: comments on Paul Message-ID: <334@cvl.UUCP> Date: Sat, 20-Apr-85 19:41:24 EST Article-I.D.: cvl.334 Posted: Sat Apr 20 19:41:24 1985 Date-Received: Tue, 23-Apr-85 01:08:55 EST Distribution: net Organization: Computer Vision Lab, U. of Maryland, College Park Lines: 58 Comment on an article: ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >From: lisa@phs.UUCP (Jeffrey William Gillette) Newsgroups: net.religion.christian Subject: In Defense of St. Paul Message-ID: <1013@phs.UUCP> ... ... St. Paul wrote eight or ten letters to specific churches, answering specific questions with specific advice. Yet to focus on the specific details of Paul's instructions would be to miss completely the apostle's true genius. In fact, Paul is at his weakest when he attempts to give specific instructions. Consider 1 Corinthians: in chapter 11 Paul explains how a woman is to act when praying or prophesying in the church, yet in chapter 14 he commands that women must be silent in the church! In the same letter, Paul informs us that the very laws of nature dictate which hair styles are appropriate. Needless to say, Christian thinkers have not turned to these passages in moments of supreme spiritual enlightenment. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ There are some interesting parallels, found in rabbinical writings, to some obscure passages in the NT. (I'm sorry but I will have to recall from memory.) First, in I Corinthians 11, we read that women who speak in assembly should have a sign of authority (?) upon their heads, because of the angels. (We may consider "the angels" to represent the "ministers" in the assembly who rise to speak, as they are inspired -- Quakerlike, I suppose). The Jewish parallel that I recall says that those who speak in assembly (of course all males) should have a veil upon their heads, because of the Indwelling. (I understand this to be an allusion to the veil of Moses, which becomes symbolic of prophetic authority; "Indwelling", referring the Presence of God among those gathered for assembly -- so the idea is "out of respect for the ministry".) This suggests to me that Paul is saying that women can speak but they should make sure that they have a true ministry. We must remember that in those times, it might very well have been scandalous to the faith for women to speak, since the surrounding cultures slighted women. Second, it is said that when Paul was healed after his encounter on the road to Damascus, "the scales fell from his eyes." The Jewish parallel is clearly figurative: sometimes it is said that when spiritual understanding has come, "the speckles (or dust) fell from the eyes." Finally, and most conjecturally, I believe that it is possible that another somewhat obscure recommendation by Paul has been misunderstood, in light of my reading of Jewish writings (none of them about Christianity of course). Paul addresses the question of "eating of food sacrificed to alien gods." (Then he abruptly talks about the breadth of his knowledge of non- Christian matters.) Jewish parallels refer, again figuratively, to worldly knowledge as being like food offered to so-called gods, which may cause the Jew to become contaminated. Partly, the idea is that ideology is dangerous and corrupting, also that the authors of books are making a "sacrifice" (of their talents) to create books which dignify certain ideas. Again, I am simply recalling some parallels (there are many more) between certain obscure NT passages and Jewish figures of speech, which Paul certainly would have been familiar with, having been a student of Gamaliel, a rabbi of the time.