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From: ccrdave@ucdavis.UUCP (Lord Kahless)
Newsgroups: net.startrek
Subject: Re: I, Mudd (Norman and the Gang)
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Date: Thu, 18-Apr-85 23:34:58 EST
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Posted: Thu Apr 18 23:34:58 1985
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> >One of the gems of logic that the gang uses to overwhelm the Androids is:
> >
> >            Kirk: "Everything Harry Mudd tells you is a lie."
> >            Mudd: "Norman, I am lying now."
> >
> >       This blows Norman away!  It seems to me that the flaw in the logic is what
> >       if Kirk is lying?
> 	
> It doesn't matter.  In fact, Kirk is totally irrelevant to the logic.  Once
> Mudd states that he is lying, the circle begins (and Norm blows a fuse).
> 
> This is clearer if we just change Mudd's statement to "What I am now saying is
> a lie."  The whole idea is silly, since it involves playing on language, not
> logic, but I guess Norman isn't smart enough to figure it out.
> 
> 
> 				Andy Raskin
> 				..decvax!yale!raskin
> 
>  "STIV:In Search of Plot..."

Kirk and Mudd's argument is a classic example of a question in true/
false format that has neither true nor false.  For references, see
"A Transition to Advanced Mathematics", by Smith, Eggen, and St. Andre,
(Brooks/Cole, Belmont, CA, first edition) page 1.

				Lord Kahless
				Founder of the Klingon Empire
				Now studying at U.C. Davis