Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.2 9/12/84; site mit-hermes.ARPA Path: utzoo!linus!philabs!cmcl2!seismo!harvard!godot!mit-eddie!mit-hermes!jpexg From: jpexg@mit-hermes.ARPA (John Purbrick) Newsgroups: net.travel Subject: Re: Re: Hedonism, visiting poor countries Message-ID: <2366@mit-hermes.ARPA> Date: Fri, 12-Apr-85 19:57:24 EST Article-I.D.: mit-herm.2366 Posted: Fri Apr 12 19:57:24 1985 Date-Received: Thu, 18-Apr-85 08:24:39 EST References: <1452@decwrl.UUCP> <2351@mit-hermes.ARPA> <799@peora.UUCP> Organization: The MIT AI Lab, Cambridge, MA Lines: 27 I'm sorry if my earlier posting under this title offended anyone. It may well have been a mistake to have mentioned specific countries as being "poor", and it's especially unfortunate that a colleague of mine coincidentally got involved in a controversy involving India at the same time. Maybe prosperous "westerners" are particularly struck by the open and severe poverty of (as might be) Jamaica, Latin America, etc. So our media tend to emphasize this rather than more optimistic features of those countries. Still, though, the original person who wrote on this subject found Jamaican poverty bad enough to ruin his vacation. Could it happen elsewhere (naming no specific countries)? I think so, if one is susceptible to such things. As for the question "Aren't there poor people in New York/Boston/wherever?" I'd say "Very few of them". Sure, we have "poor people" by our standards, but by 3rd world criteria they aren't badly off at all. The *really* poor people live in shantytowns--or on the streets--and have no jobs, no welfare payments, no safe drinking water, go hungry every day, and watch their children waste away and die. How many Americans suffer that badly? The word "poor" describes a position relative to some average, and by world standards our average is very, very high. That's why, when we go somewhere where people aren't so lucky, we can expect to be shocked. John Purbrick decvax!genrad!mit-eddie!mit-hermes!jpexg jpexg@mit-hermes.ARPA