Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10 beta 3/9/83; site nrcvax.UUCP Path: utzoo!linus!decvax!ittvax!dcdwest!sdcsvax!sdcrdcf!psivax!nrcvax!chris From: chris@nrcvax.UUCP (Chris Grevstad) Newsgroups: net.politics,net.flame Subject: Re: President-come Message-ID: <146@nrcvax.UUCP> Date: Tue, 30-Apr-85 21:01:55 EDT Article-I.D.: nrcvax.146 Posted: Tue Apr 30 21:01:55 1985 Date-Received: Tue, 7-May-85 02:17:35 EDT References: <3655@alice.UUCP> <> Reply-To: chris@nrcvax.UUCP (Chris Grevstad) Organization: The Zoo Lines: 34 Xref: linus net.politics:8186 net.flame:8792 Summary: In article <> mroddy@enmasse.UUCP (Mark Roddy) writes: >[] >The problem with visiting Bitberg is that it HONORS the german veterens >of world war II. As these people were feeding my relatives into the >chimneys, I take personal offense at the suggestion that the german >people should EVER be forgiven for what they did. > I have tried to refrain from joining this fray, but I feel compelled to comment on the above. I find it utterly distasteful to find someone who will unconditionally refuse to ever forgive a people for something. Sure, the mass murdering of millions is execrable and heinous, but there is still grounds for forgiveness for the Germans. They are human, many of them were not even alive at the time, and large numbers of them perished as a result of Nazi poilicies and the total destruction of many of their cities. Eastern Germany has had to live under the cruel thumb of Russia these past years. I'm sure that has been no picnic. Young Germans (post war) have had to live all their life with this stigma attached to them. Massive guilt. So let's never forgive 'em. Condemn those who are innocent to years and decades of suffering because of the actions of their parents. I don't condone what was done, but neither do I condone Mark Roddy's attitude. I will grant you my relatives were not fed to the chimneys, but they still had to live under harsh and often severe Nazi domination. -- Chris Grevstad {sdcsvax,hplabs}!sdcrdcf!psivax!nrcvax!chris ucbvax!calma!nrcvax!chris Life is difficult for the organizationally impaired.