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From: cej@ll1.UUCP (One of the Jones Boys)
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Subject: Re: Reagan's visit to Germany
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Date: Tue, 7-May-85 11:29:17 EDT
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**** That's all I can stands, and I can't stands no more! ****

Erik K. Sorgatz says:

> YOU have the courage to face what some of these people did? I
> think that the current trend in viewing the present-day population
> in Germany as being fair-game for guilt-abuse by Jews (and the
> Media) is absurd. Should the Christians of today blame the Jews of
> today for the murder of Jesus? |-: 

	Well I agree that ALL the present-day population should not
be fair game guilt-abuse by anyone, HOWEVER:  There are people who
lived in "that" Germany, alive today, WHO STILL BELIEVE THAT HITLER
WAS RIGHT!!!!!!!  In the last five years I have met two different
Germans, living in the USA, who were in the NAZI Army, and fought
until the surrender.  When the topic of WW II came up, I was amazed
to find that they expressed the belief that Hitler was 100% right,
that the Jews were the root of all evil, and that Hitler just didn't
do it quick enough!  One even expressed the feeling that if the USA
of that time had realized that the "final plan" had, in the long run,
included blacks, (Whether it did or not, I'm not sure.) that the USA
would have supported Germany, or at least not gotten involved, due
to the US's hatered of blacks!!!
	
	These two "gentlemen" had to be around 20 at the end of the
war, and so are the "young, innocent" draftees that Ray-gun spoke of.
Now, I will admit that these men probably had their minds twisted by
belonging to the Hitler Youth, however they are the only examples of
German WWII solders I have ever talked to.  So, I am forced to
assume that many of those who had an active, direct involvement in
the Third Reich, held at that time, and apparently still hold
opinions and beliefs that I find abhorrent.  These men I cannot
forgive.  I cannot forgive any racist, while he remains a racist. 

	How many people living in Germany today have these beliefs? 
I don't know. Very few I hope, but some people who have been to
Germany tell me there are more than I would like to believe.  (I would
like to believe that the two I met are the only two in the world.)

	Forgive?   Yes, forgive those who have quit hating.

	Forget?  Never, lest we repeat it with any number of
		 variations.

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	disclaimer:  No sane man thinks as I do.

...ihnp4!mgnetp!ll1!cej			Llewellyn Jones
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